Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

I don't disagree only in that the Borg Queen was on several VOY episodes after her debut in First Contact (and being the best big bad of the TNG films and one of the best big bads of all the Trek movies), while Hugh was in like only three TNG episodes. I still wish they had kept Hugh alive. There was no need to kill him off. It's not like we saw the great friendship (supposedly) between him and Seven to necessitate her getting revenge. Perhaps they should've kept Icheb alive for that, if he was fated to killed off.

Hugh dying doesn't mean the Borg Queen coming back makes sense. But, it was inevitable with Seven, Picard and alternate timelines.

 

[timtonruben359]

Have Jonathan Del Arco and Annie Wersching worked together before, or is this a possible spoiler?

https://twitter.com/JonathanDelArco/status/1433829782983045122

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard's replicator menu, meal selection.
https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1433845136165728258/photo/1

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Have Jonathan Del Arco and Annie Wersching worked together before, or is this a possible spoiler?

https://twitter.com/JonathanDelArco/status/1433829782983045122

No idea, but it looks like another show (hospital show?) to me.

 

[Campe]

Apparently it’s a 2016 episode of a TNT show I’ve never heard of called Major Crimes.

My Google-Fu is strong today.

 

[Danja]

I don't disagree only in that the Borg Queen was on several VOY episodes after her debut in First Contact (and being the best big bad of the TNG films and one of the best big bads of all the Trek movies), while Hugh was in like only three TNG episodes. I still wish they had kept Hugh alive. There was no need to kill him off. It's not like we saw the great friendship (supposedly) between him and Seven to necessitate her getting revenge. Perhaps they should've kept Icheb alive for that, if he was fated to killed off.

Hugh was Borg.

Seven would've seen him as a brother.

 

[Tuskin38]

ah there is earl gray
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1433861188295684096

Also some non-canon betazoid food.

 

[matthunter]

Hugh was Borg.

Seven would've seen him as a brother.

And he was director of a project explicitly set up to help exBs recover, something Seven would greatly respect even if they had no personal interactions.

 

[DarKush]

Hugh dying doesn't mean the Borg Queen coming back makes sense. But, it was inevitable with Seven, Picard and alternate timelines.

I didn't say it did. I just hope that the Borg Queen's presence on the series is utilized to better effect than Hugh's. Hugh was just a glorified cameo to get old fans excited and then he was killed off unnecessarily. One of my issues with PIC is they sidelined or got rid of some of their most intriguing characters like Hugh, Picard's Romulan friends, and yes, even Number One, while still not doing enough to develop the main characters, especially Jurati and Rios, to a lesser extent Raffi. Heck, I could throw Seven on this list as well, because a lot of her character 'arc' if you want to call it that came really from people already being familiar with her character on VOY, and not so much the writing from PIC.

 

[DarKush]

And he was director of a project explicitly set up to help exBs recover, something Seven would greatly respect even if they had no personal interactions.

That's fair enough, though Seven taking revenge again for yet another fallen ex-Borg was redundant.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't say it did. I just hope that the Borg Queen's presence on the series is utilized to better effect than Hugh's. Hugh was just a glorified cameo to get old fans excited and then he was killed off unnecessarily. One of my issues with PIC is they sidelined or got rid of some of their most intriguing characters like Hugh, Picard's Romulan friends, and yes, even Number One, while still not doing enough to develop the main characters, especially Jurati and Rios, to a lesser extent Raffi. Heck, I could throw Seven on this list as well, because a lot of her character 'arc' if you want to call it that came really from people already being familiar with her character on VOY, and not so much the writing from PIC.

Seven was near pointless in Picard. It's frustrating to me how more interesting elements were largely left aside for Borg nonsense

 

[cooleddie74]

I liked well enough seeing Seven and Jeri Ryan again but was she necessary? NO.

 

[DarKush]

Seven was near pointless in Picard. It's frustrating to me how more interesting elements were largely left aside for Borg nonsense

I half agree with you here. I do agree that Seven was almost pointless on PIC. However I thought the Borg storyline was more interesting than the synth storyline. To me, the Borg storyline is particular to Trek, whereas the synth storyline was very generic and had been done before, many times over.

I would've rather seen PIC: Season 1 exploring the xBs or the Romulans instead of chucking both to the side for the synth. Even there they didn't go full nostalgia and bring us Lore (I was hoping that Data's mystery human brother would be Lore, and he still might be, but as of yet I got to take them at their word that he's human).

 

[fireproof78]

I half agree with you here. I do agree that Seven was almost pointless on PIC. However I thought the Borg storyline was more interesting than the synth storyline. To me, the Borg storyline is particular to Trek, whereas the synth storyline was very generic and had been before, many times over.

I would've rather seen PIC: Season 1 exploring the xBs or the Romulans instead of chucking both to the side for the synth. Even there they didn't go full nostalgia and bring us Lore (I was hoping that Data's mystery human brother would be Lore, and he still might be, but as of yet I got to take them at their word that he's human).

Season 1 should have been Romulans.

 

[eschaton]

There were basically three different elements of Season 1, which had varying effectiveness.

1. The "main arc" was certainly the synth stuff, since the beginning and the final episode were built on Picard's relationship with Data (never mind that Data wasn't particularly close with Picard). I generally felt this stuff was the most effective, though it could have stood to be fleshed out a bit more.
2. The Romulan stuff built a lot of interesting lore - and a nice backstory for Picard - but ultimately went nowhere. Nowhere was this more clear than the introduction of Elnor, who gets an entire episode to establish his fractured relationship with Jean Luc...and then has absolutely nothing of importance to do for the entire remainder of the show.
3. The Borg stuff was pretty universally awful. I mean, I liked the portrayal of the XBs as victims for like 5 minutes in The Impossible Box. But There was way too much setup on The Artifact prior to this, and afterward it was all B-movie schlock that seemed to only exist to give the characters left behind something to do.

Overall, I feel like the series would have benefitted immensely if the POV was much more tightly focused on Picard, instead of being a quasi-ensemble. A good example of this was Picard's horror when first landing on the Artifact not quite connecting right, since we saw Soji and Narek canoodling for half the season at that point on the exact same sets. Wouldn't be good for the other cast members I suppose, but virtually everything in the series that we saw from a POV other than Picard's (and occasionally Soji's) was completely irrelevant - wheel spinning to fill out the credits each week.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I liked well enough seeing Seven and Jeri Ryan again but was she necessary? NO.

I feel like, "Is something entertaining?" is by itself a good explanation for why something should be in a TV show.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

ah there is earl gray
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1433861188295684096

Also some non-canon betazoid food.

Well, if this makes it to the screen, it will become canon Betazoid food.

(Question: does that make it canon fodder?...)

 

[Danja]

And he was director of a project explicitly set up to help exBs recover, something Seven would greatly respect even if they had no personal interactions.

I'm sure the Cube was on Seven's beat as a Fenris Ranger (nothing like having some muscle on hand when drones get out of line).

Seven was near pointless in Picard. It's frustrating to me how more interesting elements were largely left aside for Borg nonsense

They can only do so much in ten episodes.

 

[The Old Mixer]

(never mind that Data wasn't particularly close with Picard)

Bull-fucking-shit.

 

[fireproof78]

They can only do so much in ten episodes.

Exactly. So why cram so much in?