Yeah it honestly gave such Palpatine vibes...
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Yeah it honestly gave such Palpatine vibes...
The irony of that day and Starfleet's growing hubris being their downfall. Maybe that was part of the intention?
This gets into the “Is Starfleet a military?” argument (which, for the record, I think they are), but in-universe Starfleet and the Federation seem to be ambivalent about the label (e.g., Picard explicitly says Starfleet isn’t a military organization in TNG’s “Peak Performance”). Also, Starfleet doesn’t believe their starships are “warships,” at least outwardly to the public (i.e., Kira states Starfleet doesn’t believe in warships in DS9’s “The Search”).
So, from a certain point of view, arguably something like “Frontier Day” is less a May Day parade of weapons, and more like the Smithsonian having an event celebrating the history of aircraft and NASA spacecraft.
Being charitable, those meanings were not fully obvious when the monologue was written. And arguably, not all expansions or immigrations came at the cost of other populations. However, American expansion--and Trek is very American--those activities did come at a cost to indigenous populations and often through military efforts.
Exactly! And that's why Kira handed Bashir's ass to him and reminded him that what he thought of as the frontier, the edge of civilisation, was her home and the center of her world.
Admiral Shelby intended to show the hubris of Starfleet?
Matalas and the other creators invented a "holiday" with the intention of celebrating the culture of Starfleet outside the series. Yes, the exact mechanism was exploited by the Borg in story. However, this is the type of announcement that the producers thought should typify Frontier Day. They weren't building museums to the vernacular architecture of primitive Andorians.
Not intentionally, no. I mean the writers metaphorically, using Shelby's Borg-like fleet formation and speech to show how arrogant Starfleet had become in its size and power. The use of Frontier Day therefore has a double meaning, with it being a celebration of Starfleet's history, as well as it becoming an assimilating super power of its own in the galaxy.
Sorry if this has been discussed before, where were the 2 lines of Majel Barrett’s computer voice lines came from? Which episodes? I think someone mentioned one was from “Violations”? What about the shutdown line?
Majel recorded her phonemes for future use before she passed. So, I think they can use her voice to say almost anything.
“Violations” and “Eye of the Beholder.”
Yeah but they didn't do that for Picard, all the audio was reused from TNG.
it was a self defence mechanism. She even said it would only be used in the event that the crew somehow lost control of their ships.
The point I'm trying to make is that Frontier Day was closely associated with military matters.
The “final frontier” is clearly influenced by the zeitgeist of the Kennedy administration’s New Frontier in the sixties. It became an integral part of Trek window dressing such that the “speech” remains attached to productions over half a century later. At this point, it’s all part of the nostalgia. Are critical readings of the implied symbolism of “frontier” and “massive fleet bristling with weapons” fair? Certainly—once released to the public, art, even commercial art, is no longer entirely bound by its creators’ intent, though I thoroughly reject the postmodern notion that authorial intent is irrelevant to understanding a creative work. As such, I don’t think the creators gave any deep thought to the possible symbolic complications. They simply integrated “frontier” as part and parcel of Trek. They’ve no requirement to do anything else (or care about the possibility that someone may see a more deliberate “message”).
Just wondering about the frontier thing. It's a commonly used word and it's used correctly in star trek. But you're welcome to your opinion
They took one out of storage. They keep all the old Space Docks in a museum that's an even bigger space dock.
Yup. He was happy that he was working far out from Federation space. Also with the with the Wormhole he was even farther out into the unexplored frontier.
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