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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Yistaan said:
Generations underscores just how horrific what Crusher did in Picard really was. What was Picard's fantasy life in the Nexus? It wasn't wiping out the Borg or being CNC of Starfleet or anything like that. It was to be at home with a family. And Beverly deprived him of that without even giving that family life a shot.
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and just as JL was living alone and bitter in his chateau, away from any danger.
 
You know I've probably watched that last minute of them launching the D from spacedock about 20 times. :lol:

I'd forgotten how good the Enterprise-D looked. She's made for wide-screen. ;)

The musical cues are so on point too. It's been so long since we've seen her. This was the Enterprise I grew up with, definitely a homecoming of sorts. I'll be miffed if the Borg slice her to pieces!
 
thribs said:
Him becoming an admiral already undermines Generations. It was the one thing Kirk told him not to do.
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But he was also significantly older than Kirk. Kirk became an admiral at 37ish and apparently almost immediately regretted it; Picard didn't become an admiral until his late 70s, and he did so specifically to make a difference he couldn't do as a captain by leading the Romulan evacuation task force, and later as commandant of Starfleet Academy. Picard was a starship captain in total for something like 50 years, longer than Kirk's entire Starfleet career.
 
AntonyF said:
But GOTCHA.... The D is back. Picard is dead, but GOTCHA he's been replaced by a robot with a copy of his brain. He doesn't have offspring but oh GOTCHA all is okay he has a son. Why not have René pop out of a Jefferies tube, it wasn't a fire it was just a slight burn and he's alright now.

Generations while fun and a favourite of mine will never be considered writing greatness. But it's amazing how Picard can shit even over all that and all its messages in every way and. Just. Not. Get. It.
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I just wanted to say that this part of your review in particular resonated with me. Excellently stated.
 
Crewman6 said:
Literally every prominent guest star/recurring character (except Guinan and Wesley) has died. WTF, "Picard"???
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To be fair, most of those characters hadn't been seen in so long, as in decades, that we never expected to see them again anyway. If you're unlikely to ever use the characters again, why not give them a big dramatic death scene instead of consigning them back to limbo?

I mean, it's not as though killing Shelby means we're never going to get the STAR TREK: SHELBY series we've all be waiting for since the eighties. :)

I probably shouldn't admit this but I often breathe a sigh of relief when I kill off a character because it feels like tidying up loose ends. Means I'm on the downward slope and getting closer to wrapping up a story. Not unlike spring cleaning.
 
tenmei said:
And yet you claimed that Seven calling Data a robot was worse than Shaw deadnaming Seven?!?!?



It seems like with your multiple contentious posts, you're deliberately making provoking statements to get a rise.
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I like robots and stuff more than people so yea. It was horrible to me.
 
fireproof78 said:
I know I do. I used to be far more positive, and outgoing and social. I'm not that way any more. I don't go out of my way to socialize nor do I find the same level of value of making that effort beyond a small group of people. I'm less concerned about if something in media is "wrong." because to me, it's usually wrong in some way. I am more easy going, a little less judgmental in my old age, but all far less likely to go out and find a reason to be angry.

In short, people change more than they think; we're just blind to the change because it happened with us, rather than in our absence.
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Plus, we tend to change gradually. Gradual change is much harder to see happening, especially within yourself, than someone doing a complete 180 degrees at once.
 
AntonyF said:
I feel in this comment you've really dug into and understood a lot of the entire issue with the entire setup of the new shows.

They want that sense of drama, and danger and potential loss. And they will subject any trinkets from Trek past to get that. Ro and Shelby in particular. One being a massive loose thread, and the other being a fan favourite.

But... when it comes to your core characters, they are risk averse. The danger is cheated. As soon as Worf was allegedly dead I said to my cat "He'll come back and say she stabbed him in his third backup heart and because he's now a man of peace he could slow his heart to appear dead". When Data lost to Lore I said to my cat "He gave Lore all that it made him to be Data, so I wonder if he will in effect become Data." All so predictable. And all so incongruous as someone in the 2400s (or is it 2500s now, genuinely not sure) would resort to feeling a pulse.

As viewers we like consequence. We may scream when our favourites die but it adds reality to the universe we're watching. When they constantly cheat you by using decoys or reverse-engineering the deaths, it cheapens the drama.
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But — and I think of this a lot — those are not a problem with the story, they are just things where your own personality or knowledge affects how you perceive the story. They are not anything *wrong* from another point of view. That they are predictable means they are to a great extent logical, or foreshadowed, or in keeping with the setting of the show. Complaining about Chocolate in your Chocolate milkshake, is a bizarre approach in that sense.
It’s not anything *wrong* with you (or anyone else who is put out because maybe they wanted something different — but the hyperbolic expression of it is sometimes in some cases) either, it is just personal taste. Today, you did not want a Chocolate milkshake, but we’ve all come to the Chocolate milkshake emporium together.
 
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Amusing note, think it was taken from either them reviewing star wars, or from their pitch for Star Trek: Galaxy.

johnnybear said:
Somehow I can't see us getting a Captain Liam Shaw tv Star Trek show anymore...:weep:
JB
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Matalas and Stashwick have said they already have Shaw's return to life penciled out if Legacy got greenlit.

Speculative money was either as the ECH (which might be interesting, him being a hologram).

Or Seven saves him with Borg nanoprobes which has precendent. It would freak out a guy who has serious and legit Borgphobia and be an excellent character study of someone being helped.
 
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