Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[Yistaan]

Questions unlikely to be answered next week:

If Jacks visions are borg influenced and the changelings are in league with the borg, why did the visions tell him to kill 4 changelings?

How come the changeling transporter officer tried to kill jack? He's undermining his own transport assimilation work!

 

[eschaton]

The Maquis were not a Galaxy/Federation ending threat. Even then, The Maquis is what partially drove Cardissia to ally with The Dominion.

My point is that for example, The Klingon War was not a completely separate story form The Dominion War. The writers integrated it as part of the larger Dominion story.

On Discovery there has been a brand new, completely different Galaxy/Federation ending threat every season.

I do think it's arguable there was a big shift in DS9 between Seasons 2 and 3, when Piller left for Voyager and turned over the reins to Ira Steven Behr.

DS9 became much less interested in internal Bajoran politics. It also became much less universally dark, and we began seeing a much larger share of comedic episodes.

 

[SG-17]

This season of Picard is the culmination of 6 seasons and 1 movie of TNG and 5 seasons of Voyager. I fully believe this is the end of the Borg, and frankly I couldn't think of a better ending.

 

[Tomalak]

This season of Picard is the culmination of 6 seasons and 1 movie of TNG and 5 seasons of Voyager. I fully believe this is the end of the Borg, and frankly I couldn't think of a better ending.

Christ I do hope they are buried for good.

 

[eschaton]

This season of Picard is the culmination of 6 seasons and 1 movie of TNG and 5 seasons of Voyager. I fully believe this is the end of the Borg, and frankly I couldn't think of a better ending.

Eh, we had that flash-forward to the far future in Lower Decks showing there will be Borg children in Federation classrooms.

 

[bob saget]

Questions unlikely to be answered next week:

If Jacks visions are borg influenced and the changelings are in league with the borg, why did the visions tell him to kill 4 changelings?

How come the changeling transporter officer tried to kill jack? He's undermining his own transport assimilation work!

No you're mistaken. This was a delicately crafted masterpiece where the writers and crew mulled over every frame before sharing their genius with the world.

Oh wait it's complete swill and you'd have to be a complete rube to not see it.

 

[Tuskin38]

The good Borg are still out there.

 

[jaime]

Questions unlikely to be answered next week:

If Jacks visions are borg influenced and the changelings are in league with the borg, why did the visions tell him to kill 4 changelings?

How come the changeling transporter officer tried to kill jack? He's undermining his own transport assimilation work!

I think it’s more the visions told him they were changelings, and his fight or flight response did the rest. He isn’t controlled as such by the visions/Borg bits.
We don’t know the transporter chief was trying to kill him so much as incapacitate him.

 

[Verteron]

Eh, we had that flash-forward to the far future in Lower Decks showing there will be Borg children in Federation classrooms.

They may be members of the Jurati collective rather than the 'real' Borg.

 

[Vyse]

I do think it's arguable there was a big shift in DS9 between Seasons 2 and 3, when Piller left for Voyager and turned over the reins to Ira Steven Behr.

DS9 became much less interested in internal Bajoran politics. It also became much less universally dark, and we began seeing a much larger share of comedic episodes.

Yeah, that's the one big shift. For the first two seasons, Bajor was the big story thread, then it pivoted to The Dominion. At least they still found ways to incorporate Bajor into the larger story, like how Bajor signing that non aggression treaty with The Dominion.

 

[The Commander]

Akiva Goldsman is actually the real deal as a writer for Hollywood with a lot of great work under him

But Picard was clearly not his thing. Strange New Worlds is his baby.

 

[nic3636]

It's not too hard to see that as human hubris..."it's not the same thing at all; it's US and we are better, so...."

I wasn't a huge fan of the collective fleet thing either. It's main purpose was a plot device to get our heroes into the Enterprise D, but I'm not clear on the benefits of the setup given the substantial risks. The show did demonstrate some self awareness by having Picard and Riker mocking it, but I personally think the plot could have done without it.

 

[Paul755]

I mean she would have been captain no matter how Shaw died. Chain of command and all that.

It would be impossible for her not to become captain, unless she was relived of duty when he dided.

Well yeah. But I’m saying the character was killed off for no other reason than to make Seven the Captain.

don’t get me wrong, I love “fan service” or “memberberries” but it was just to get us to OMG it’s CAPTAIN SEVEN.

 

[jaime]

why are you people still responding to this person.

It’s my inner Picard. Long speeches, diplomacy, arrogance, and occasional running around in a grey vest are difficult for me to avoid.

 

[Campe]

Christ I do hope they are buried for good.

Forgetting Seven of Nine, across the franchise, before Picard, they were a focus of 31 episodes and one film. Additionally appear in five episodes of a Lower Decks and one episode of Prodigy as well as being a key part of every season of Picard. Let this be their last battlefield. PLEASE!

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah, that's the one big shift. For the first two seasons, Bajor was the big story thread, then it pivoted to The Dominion. At least they still found ways to incorporate Bajor into the larger story, like how Bajor signing that non aggression treaty with The Dominion.

Bajor was absolutely integral throughout.

Sisko's role as Emissary is there from the pilot to the finale.

 

[Racefuel]

I think it’s more the visions told him they were changelings, and his fight or flight response did the rest.

Yep. He knew via intuition who the changelings were via the subconcious connection to "the plan".

A bit expected and predictable, but also at least he isn't a Qbaby or sexy candle ghost baby.

 

[bob saget]

Did anyone else love how they edited Shelby's death with a cut right as she was getting blasted so it came off as comically as it possibly could have? Man it was great. The people making this show are brilliant.

 

[SG-17]

Eh, we had that flash-forward to the far future in Lower Decks showing there will be Borg children in Federation classrooms.

They can be Jurati-Borg.

 

[TOMFAN]

So Jack's a 'transmitter', which probably means that he'll end up transmitting a shut down command to all of the Borg, possibly via the Ent-D somehow, in the final 10 minutes of next weeks episode!