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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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fireproof78 said:
It's had crap before; it will have crap again.

This is Star Trek. It has it all. I'll not pretend this recent era is somehow more egregious than the past because it's not.
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It absolutely is. There is a steep drop off from the end of TNG and everything that came after. Even the last couple of seasons of TNG were sliding.
 
KirkusOveractus said:
Bu didn't you condemn the writers and producers for not trying anything new?
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I said they're incapable of doing anything new that's watchable, and they are. This season is basically a glorified version of one of those reunion specials. It's really not even a Star Trek show.
 
eschaton said:
This is my biggest gripe, consistently, with both Discovery and Picard.

The benefit of doing serialization IMHO is that you can do long-form plot and character arcs. Don't have the ideas to fill out an episode in season 5? Call back to a plot in Season 2, and develop it further! Think of the character growth someone like Nog showed across all of DS9.

But both Discovery and Picard basically press the reset button at the end of every season. Not only is there an artificial, self-contained crisis which is somehow 100% resolved in the finale, the hanging character threads aren't even expanded upon.

Witness the great disrespect they've given Raffi and Seven's relationship across Picard. They start holding hands at the end of Season 1, break up off camera between Seasons 1 and 2, slowly reconcile across season 2, and then break up off camera again between Seasons 2 and 3. The show should have used their relationship as a baseline element of the season, and worked it in, but instead it treated them like plot marionettes, hence it's irrelevant.

Picard's relationship with Laris is another example. Zaban dies off camera between Seasons 1 and 2 so they can have romantic tension (another case of the new showrunners having entirely new ideas). The whole of Season 2 was, if it was about anything, getting Picard to be open to a relationship with Laris, who is sidelined after a single scene in Episode 1! I can see how Picard's girlfriend would be hard to integrate into the season, and it's been like a week, but it would have been nice to have him at least send her a message or something? At least he hasn't been trying to get back with Beverly I suppose.
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I agree.

Even when DS9 had to incorporate the Klingons, they worked it into the larger story with The Dominion. I also liked how their season finales typically set the stage for the next season. DS9 had such great development with recurring characters like Nog, Rom, Garak, Kai Winn, Gul Dukat, Damar etc... .

Wouldn't Laris have been as asset given her background? It also annoys me when all this character development and changes happens off screen in between seasons.
 
bob saget said:
It absolutely is. There is a steep drop off from the end of TNG and everything that came after. Even the last couple of seasons of TNG were sliding.
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TNG had a severe quality control issue. Even Season 3 (IMHO the best) had a handful of stinkers like A Matter of Perspective.
 
Tomalak said:
I think this season has been pretty openly trying to pretend the previous two never happened, apart from some lip service.

Obviously the first two seasons had a mixed reaction, but I wonder what we would have got if the TNG vets hadn't agreed to return, or if Stewart stuck to his guns on "no TNG 2.0".
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Completely unwatchable swill vs. barely watchable swill. Whenever they focus too much on even Geordi and Picard's kid I zone out. Literally every new thing in it is box office poison.
 
bob saget said:
Completely unwatchable swill vs. barely watchable swill. Whenever they focus too much on even Geordi and Picard's kid I zone out. Literally every new thing in it is box office poison.
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Well, good thing this isn’t in theaters then! Oh,except for that IMAX thing.
 
Racefuel said:
Yes, they did.

The early Seasons had the tensions and conflict with the Cardassians, then the Maquis, then the Klingon War, then the Dominion. The Dominion threat started as early as Season 2.
Every single season had some form of threat or conflict that overarched.
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The Maquis were not a Galaxy/Federation ending threat. Even then, The Maquis is what partially drove Cardissia to ally with The Dominion.

My point is that for example, The Klingon War was not a completely separate story form The Dominion War. The writers integrated it as part of the larger Dominion story.

On Discovery there has been a brand new, completely different Galaxy/Federation ending threat every season.
 
Campe said:
Well, good thing this isn’t in theaters then! Oh,except for that IMAX thing.
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If they didn't know that it was crap, it would have been a theatrical release to begin with. None of these seasons had 10 hours worth of material. They're basically just movies with hours to awful filler.
 
Racefuel said:
You ever get the feeling that we're just dealing with the same person or someone from the same immediate social circle who just keeps renaming themselves to make it seem like the discontent is much more widespread?
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I just ignore posters like that who don't add to the discussion.

Obviously we all have our opinions, and we can all like or not like something.

It's just not constructive when posts just attack the writers, and don't offer any form of constructive criticism.
 
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