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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Picard tells Data where to go, when Geordi has the helm and Data has OPS :D

We also get another look at the NX-01 refit

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So the assimilated fleet blew up the excelsior… does that mean they killed Elnor?

I'm sure that either a canonical or non-canonical source will reveal that Elnor either was transferred to another ship or that he was able to escape in time.

(Side-note: They missed a golden opportunity to have Elnor and Soji join the crew aboard the Enterprise...)

Season 1 had a showrunner in Chabon, who seemed to not know much about TNG / Trek.

Oh hogwash. The guy was clearly a huge fan who went out of his way both to reference a lot of obscure Trek trivia and to add to the lore.

Season 2 had Goldsman, who did his homework but got overwhelmed, which is why Matalas was brought in to help him. Matalas was given Season 3.

It's my understanding that the first half of S2 was Matalas and the second half Goldsman. If you think S2 didn't work, Matalas shared half the blame. (I hasten to add that I think S2 should be graded on a curve because of the need to re-write it and produce it around the COVID-19 before vaccines were widely available.)

Frankly, I'll watch Season 3 time and time again. And maybe Season 2 some time. But I can't imagine watching all of Season 1 again. Maybe snippets.

I've been thinking of rewatching it. So much of S1 is about grief and mortality, learning to accept the inevitability of death even as we find new life. It helped me a lot after my grandmother died.

THe entire thing is a contrivance to get the TNG crew together on the Enterprise D. I really wouldn't think that much about it. This is about the end of an era, not anything else.

I mean, "don't think about it too much" is not how criticism works. Again, I don't think the "dangerous young people are all brainwashed by evil foreigners using TikTok scary new computer networks and we need the Boomers to save us" thing is intentional. But this is literally how a lot of people view things in real life, and that worldview in real life is dangerous.

Alice Krige was credited as just the voice of the queen. I’m starting to doubt we’ll actually see her face. They had plenty of opportunity to show her in this episode

I would be pleasantly surprised if Krige were to agree to subject herself to that kind of makeup again. You'll notice that Brent Spiner has not worn the Data makeup since S1, even with this new incarnation. I'm pretty sure the only reason Michael Dorn is back in the old Klingon makeup is that they literally can't have Worf without it.

Was the Majel computer voice line an existing line from the TNG era shows or synthesized?

I'm pretty sure it was archive audio, either from "Encounter at Farpoint," "Chain of Command," or "All Good Things." I may be mistaken, but I believe that if the voice was synthesized, they wouldn't have to give her a credit or cut her estate a check. (For instance, Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher did not get credits for Guy Henry's and Ingvild Deila's performances as Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.)
 
I've been thinking of rewatching it. So much of S1 is about grief and mortality, learning to accept the inevitability of death even as we find new life. It helped me a lot after my grandmother died.

I do agree with you here, but I think that Picard dying and then being resurrected really undermined that message.
 
Was the Majel computer voice line an existing line from the TNG era shows or synthesized?
Sounded new, nothing I recognized from before. It seems they finally used the sounds she recorded for that porpose!

They did spend a bit too much time gawking over the bridge. Like guys, the Borg
Can you imagine fan reactions to them showing the ship and the bridge for just 5 seconds, the crew shrugging, and everyone moving on to fight scenes? :D

They changed the end credits music again I think. I mean the post-animated sequence credits
Yes, more TNG-like :biggrin:
 
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I enjoyed the Latin bit lol, "use Latin to seem smart but make sure to translate so the audience doesn't feel stupid". Trek has form on this of course for ancient languages, like when Weyoun was called 'anhedonic'.
 
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I'm pretty sure it was archive audio, either from "Encounter at Farpoint," "Chain of Command," or "All Good Things." I may be mistaken, but I believe that if the voice was synthesized, they wouldn't have to give her a credit or cut her estate a check. (For instance, Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher did not get credits for Guy Henry's and Ingvild Deila's performances as Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.)
Chain of Command.

James Earl Jones was credited as Vader in Kenobi even though his voice was completely recreated for the show. Though maybe that was part of the deal he made with LucasFilm to allow them to use his voice until the end of time.
 
I do agree with you here, but I think that Picard dying and then being resurrected really undermined that message.

To me, it worked insofar as stories about resurrection and new life are also a part of the literary tradition of how we cope with mortality. Though to be honest with you, if it had been up to me, "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II" would have been the last episode of Star Trek: Picard and the last appearance of Jean-Luc Picard -- we would never have found out what happened to him after that. So even though Picard would still be "alive," we the audience would have had to say goodbye to him, thus preserving the theme of accepting loss.

C'est la vie. I enjoyed PIC S2 and S3 in spite of not thinking they should exit.

Chain of Command.

James Earl Jones was credited as Vader in Kenobi even though his voice was completely recreated. Though maybe that was part of the deal he made with LucasFilm.

Ah, good point. Maybe it's a matter of what deal the actor works out with the studios to use their likeness/voice, rather than a standardized requirement governed by SAG rules.
 
That was breathtaking. Even if the episode has some minor issues I have to give it a 10 and call it perfection.


Does the F get destroyed?
D Vs. F next week?

"That was not my fault!!!"
Loved that. This was like the end of Red Dwarf season X when Rimmer is taking credit for saving the ship but we never learn why. Wonder if it's a homage to that.

“That ship, and all the Borg on it were destroyed”

“you think in such 3 dimensional terms”

it’s clear the Borg Queen is more so a transitive consciousness able to be passed from host to host
In the novel 'Star Trek: The Return' it's mentioned that the Queen used some kind of transwarp transporter to escape.
 
Why would Starfleet, particularly led by Elizabeth Shelby (RIP, I guess…), a renowned expert on the Borg, allow for something so collective- like into their fleet? Why would they repeat something after what happened a decade or two previously as shown in Prodigy? I thought these showrunners talked to each other..
People don't learn from history. In fact, through their fear of positive change, they make their own variation of what has come before, calling it progress or caution.
 
To me, it worked insofar as stories about resurrection and new life are also a part of the literary tradition of how we cope with mortality. Though to be honest with you, if it had been up to me, "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II" would have been the last episode of Star Trek: Picard and the last appearance of Jean-Luc Picard -- we would never have found out what happened to him after that. So even though Picard would still be "alive," we the audience would have had to say goodbye to him, thus preserving the theme of accepting loss.

Right, for all its flaws, Babylon 5 was good about this with Sheridan's end.
 
So Shelby is in charge of a plan to gather the entire US Navy off the coast of Washington DC for a fireworks display, and network all the ships so the computers can control them without the consent of the crew? Leaving the Federation border basically defenceless (and weren't there any eg relief or science missions in progress? they brought every ship back? come on...) and creating another single point of failure?

I thought for sure she was a Changeling, it's the only way to explain such a nutso move.
 
So Shelby is in charge of a plan to gather the entire US Navy off the coast of Washington DC for a fireworks display, and network all the ships so the computers can control them without the consent of the crew? Leaving the Federation border basically defenceless (and weren't there any eg relief or science missions in progress? they brought every ship back? come on...) and creating another single point of failure?

I thought for sure she was a Changeling, it's the only way to explain such a nutso move.

She might yet turn out to be a Changeling. There's no way the Borg aren't going to turn against their Changeling allies, and I could see her being shocked that the Borg were betraying her too if she were one.
 
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