I've always seen this asshole when the word Changeling is mentioned:
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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I think the idea was just that the Soji-model androids were designed with the appearance from Data's painting, either because Maddox and/or Soong had seen a copy, or because of some kind of influence from Data's surviving memories in the template parts from B4 they used to build the new androids.
Or, alternatively, Maddox, Soong, and Data were all aware of their forgotten Soong great-aunt who was terminally ill and mysteriously disappeared in the early 21st century, and used her appearance for various paintings and androids out of sentiment. Or some combination of the two.
Is there anything more Trek than pondering that very question?
Actually Troi wants to go back to the city. (London then… Riker is from Alaska.) They weren’t happy ever after even on Nepenthe, even in the episode Nepenthe, they were basically living in a bunker on compassionate leave following the death of their son.
There is a difference between ‘dying wish’ and ‘wish to die’ with the idea of Data being someone on life support getting it turned off in s1 leaving a terrible taste behind. (Especially when there’s a body right *there* and a planet full on androids that are building new androids. Was that even Data in that box?)
It is absolutely assumptive.
But it’s based on the fact that she is very clearly from there, now that Marina has got more of her personal voice in there than ever.
I really loved all the Riker/Troi stuff. It reminded me of my hubby and I. Geordi, Worf Raffi... everyone had great moments. I really didn't expect T'Veen's death! And yes, I teared up at Data and his memories of Tasha and Spot.
Deanna's not. She's from Betazed. Her father was played by a guy who was from Texas. And we know Lwaxana was too proud of her Betazed heritage. Also...from Deanna's Memory Alpha page:
Marinas choice of a ‘deaf’ accent for Troi was *perfect* for the characters background (no one talks on a planet of telepaths!) and Majel should have considered it. (And anyone who grew up watching Sesame Street in the eighties knows that accent, and it is amazing when you think about it for very long)
Did Ian Andrew Troi speak on screen?
I know we’ve had to sensibly and slowly retcon Picard into a descendant of Brits, because eh Hollywood.
The reality is Deanna speaks with a North London, edge of East accent, and it was already happening by the time First Contact happened. Even the novels (don’t bother with the later ones…) had her as a Londonder.
Don’t be erasing my peoples representation. XD
The ‘I hate Nepenthe’ conversation was so *real* it was hilarious. They’ve taken the crown of ‘best and most accurate married couple in Trek’ I reckon.
Ian does speak in "Dark Page" per the transcript. Its been awhile since I've watched the episode and I don't recall a British accent. If he did have one, that would be great, because otherwise its just confusing. Just like JLP's British accent.
With JLP, they could have got away with it, but they started throwing in Waterloo, and flat caps, and tea — whether I like s2 of Picard much, I am glad they at least fixed that. Nineties Hollywood was another planet, with *no idea* about anyone much from further away than Oregon. XD
Maybe she just went to school there and the accent stuck… but only resurfaced after 9 years on the enterprise for… reasons.
I think perhaps that folks have forgotten that Alton Soong designed the new Data's body to look like himself ...
... an aged Brent Spiner.
The Soongs have likely been clones for generations now. Half the reason they work outside the federation is probably because it’s awfully close to banned augment tech. It’s an interesting accidental lore/fanon that sort of sits there because they keep hiring Brent, and the accidental reuse of Noonian. But every time, something just fits when it appears on screen — right down to the androids usually being triplets like it’s an echo of IVF, and the daughter recurring as Soji/Dahj/the other one whose name eludes me.
A stock villain like this might be fine for a single episode, but the same over-the-top, maniacal and cartoony act becomes tiresome through the course of an entire season. DS9 villains such as Weyoun, Dukat, the female Changeling, Sloan, Tain, and even Kai Winn were good examples of interesting, recurring villains. For me, Vadic's entire shtick started to grate after the second episode. Her origin of being experimented on by Starfleet was the most interesting aspect of her character.
She reminded me of a cross between Carla Tortelli and Frau Farbissina.
Weyoun dying was my favorite part. I grew tired of his blank stare after one episode.
Vadic is my favorite villain since Nero. Beautiful work by Fuller showing the strained psyche and pain.
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