Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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There seems to have been a number of deleted or unfilmed scenes in episodes 7 and 8.
In episode 7, there was the whole lack of showing Picard's plan and setting up the Vulcan ship and the message. Whatever they did must've been convincing because it tricked Vadic. A bit of discontinuity with Vadic saying the crew is all spread out, Jack saying they're all dead. We know they're not but it suggests the Titan tried to hide their crew from scans but that wasn't shown/mentioned. Vadic doesn't correct him when he says they're all dead either.
And how did they manage to let Vadic (and not the rest of Starfleet who were looking them) no where to find the Titan?
In this episode, they apparently left out Riker & Troi scenes with the Changelings. And, as you mentioned, the whole cloaking device thing was unmentioned all around, although it was shown.
Not sure if was bad writing or bad editing. Guessing they were edited out for length, although that's silly for streaming episodes.
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Worf is a Captain in Starfleet. Perhaps of the Enterprise E.
You can see his Captain pips in the final scene.
Yup. Jack is most definitely something different. Something inherited from Locutus perhaps, to explain his HIVE mind powers.
Remember Picard could still hear the voices of the Borg in First Contact.
He is. The backstory for Worf was that after Picard was promoted to Admiral left the Enterprise to organize the Romulan relief effort that Worf was promoted to Captain on Picards direct recommendation and string pulling and commanded the Enterprise-E. That lasted for at least two years prior to...whatever happened to the E-E as it was held back as classified.
Hopefully in E9 and E10 we find out what happened to the E-E
Haha!!! Indeed. I think Lore wasn't wrong to feel slighted but when you choose to express those feelings by becoming a homicidal (genocidal?) maniac, well.....
Awesome. Now that's an animated series I'd actually want to see.
I suppose Captain Worf is now wearing gold again because he is with Starfleet Intelligence in his current posting.
There are security captains too.
Borg can hear other Borg. How could Jack mind control Mura without having even touched him? Mura is not a Borg
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I watch TWoK for the sheer beauty of having two incredibly large hams on the big screen together: Shatner and Montalban. That alone is worth the price of admission. That, and I have a massive crush on Saavik.
Maybe they put all the non-self-sealing ones behind the red door, so no one uses them? You know, make it look threatening to keep people away from the inferior product. Much safer to use the self-sealing ones!
Agreed. I do wish Starfleet Security was better at their job...
I now wonder if Lore reflects Soong's own insecurities.
Being born in 85 I didn't see TWOK even in its original decade..but yeah...major crush on Saavik too
RIP Lore. A great Trek villain that even had cinematic potential. His end was very satisfying though. 37 years in the making.
It seems like the best aspects of Lore are now present in this new Data. Very reminiscent of "The Enemy Within." I like how this new Data's personality is somewhat cocky and confident. Gives Spiner a lot to work with.
I think so. I think Lore was more or less intended to be a 1:1 copy of Noonien Soong but where humans are able to organically reason and have depth of nuance..Lore wasn't and just kind of was a perpetual ball of id. Pure instinct, singular desire and having superpowered mind and body to match that ambition didn't hurt. Lore took the path of lease resistance with human traits..cruelty and selfishness.
You do realize that Seven didn't do anything in this episode. All she did was stand next to Jack to avoid being sucked out! I love Seven, but unfortunately her character is fading to the background after a very strong start.
No, not satisfying.
Very much this, yes! I am surprised by how much I am into it. On paper it seems supremely dumb, but Spiner really sold it....
I thought Data's solution was pretty fun, and I got excited once I realized what he was doing just before they made it explicit.
By allowing Lore to take every bit of Data's memories, he essentially merged Data into himself. And Data was so much more than Lore, and Lore was so envious of Data, that ultimately this meant Lore was the one who took a back seat and got absorbed in the end.
Exciting stuff.
By allowing Lore to take every bit of Data's memories, he essentially merged Data into himself. And Data was so much more than Lore, and Lore was so envious of Data, that ultimately this meant Lore was the one who took a back seat and got absorbed in the end.
Exciting stuff.
Brent is an extremely sarcastic, very snarky and charming man. Fantastic conversationalist and I'm thinking at this point Data is less ..Data but more Brent Spiner playing Data playing Brent Spiner
The Spiner acting off of Spiner was quite well done. I was impressed by the scenes and the emotions that came along with it. Well done.
Too many SCENES CUT! The cloaked ship, Worf boarding the Shrike, Worf, Riker and Troi fighting in the corridor etc. Happened in the last episode as well. Was easy to see what was cut and it felt a little jarring to watch. Where is all that footage, hopefully released in its entirety in future.
Other than that, im worried about whats happening to Shaw, started off interesting but is just fast becoming a Discovery style bridge officer in disguise, has no leadership qualities, no lines of note, no important defining scenes (all handed to Seven). Really disappointing how he has been handled. Why was he there at all in that case? What is his purpose except to get beat up, make the wrong decisions, cry over something after getting beaten up a second time (still no idea why??), run away play safe and be completely by the book.
Felt the TNG love-in scenes were surprisingly well handled. Although still feels like a DS9 story with a TNG cast dare I say...
Last two episodes will be interesting...the whats behind the red door build up hopefully is worth it
7/10
Other than that, im worried about whats happening to Shaw, started off interesting but is just fast becoming a Discovery style bridge officer in disguise, has no leadership qualities, no lines of note, no important defining scenes (all handed to Seven). Really disappointing how he has been handled. Why was he there at all in that case? What is his purpose except to get beat up, make the wrong decisions, cry over something after getting beaten up a second time (still no idea why??), run away play safe and be completely by the book.
Felt the TNG love-in scenes were surprisingly well handled. Although still feels like a DS9 story with a TNG cast dare I say...
Last two episodes will be interesting...the whats behind the red door build up hopefully is worth it
7/10
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