Honestly you'd think the Federation would want to keep the Voyage Home incident secret since it basically lets everyone know how easy time travel is.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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How would they explain the whales?
Tourists.
Nah. Without Spock, it’d be doomed to failure.
Klingon whales.
You've all been skirting away from the main issue regarding whether or not they were justified in possibly killing Vadic (which they most definitely were going to do by the way), by referencing older moments in Star Trek, moments that all had totally different sets of circumstances. It's a sorry state of affairs when you reduce things down to this type of argument, and pluck a few random moments from the franchise's back catalogue.
I would never argue that Star Trek has moments of violence and aggression, but they more often that not actually made sense, in terms of basic storyline and character development. Take Picard and Crusher and what we know of them in the past (and don't give me that carry on about people changing... sure Picard changed during this episode alone, empathizing with Vadic and then wanting to fry her within the space of moments): do you honestly think they'd ever resort to this move? Had they exhausted all avenues of investigation? It's just bad writing, making absolutely no sense. All about drama and thrills at the expense of logic.
And that's the issue really. It's daft. I have no problem if they actually killed her as long as it made sense and, more importantly, show some balls and have the courage of your convictions. Just do it. Shoot her in cold blood. Don't give me another insanely stupid plot contrivance that allows her to escape. Really good drama doesn't work that way, and it's happening again and again and again.
I would never argue that Star Trek has moments of violence and aggression, but they more often that not actually made sense, in terms of basic storyline and character development. Take Picard and Crusher and what we know of them in the past (and don't give me that carry on about people changing... sure Picard changed during this episode alone, empathizing with Vadic and then wanting to fry her within the space of moments): do you honestly think they'd ever resort to this move? Had they exhausted all avenues of investigation? It's just bad writing, making absolutely no sense. All about drama and thrills at the expense of logic.
And that's the issue really. It's daft. I have no problem if they actually killed her as long as it made sense and, more importantly, show some balls and have the courage of your convictions. Just do it. Shoot her in cold blood. Don't give me another insanely stupid plot contrivance that allows her to escape. Really good drama doesn't work that way, and it's happening again and again and again.
It's been a cliché since the dawn of drama.
At this point most popular entertainment is cliché and I'm fine with that. Drama and telling tales and stories have been around for thousands of years. Most things you can do in popular entertainment already have been done and at this point we're just slapping new skins on old frameworks.
We get it, you don't like the show.
You joined on thursday and have spent each of the last two and a half days slagging on it. You have 39 posts and nearly every single one has a gripe about the writing, the plot, the pacing, etc you name it.
You're either unhappy with the show and need to endlessly vent or you're a troll in which case i've given you exactly what you wanted by responding.
well..I don't have *that* much experience, so I'll take your word for it..I can see how it's a pattern
I assure you, I'm very far from a troll; just responding to last the few pages that I'm just after reading regarding rules of war. And beyond that, isn't a forum the perfect place to voice your opinion on something that you love? Care to actually respond to what I've said? Would be far more interesting than making comments directed towards me.
Because all you've said is variations of the repetitious "lazy writing" "stupid drama" and such. You tried to redirect back to talking about killing Vadic but you couldn't even get through one paragraph before talking about things being a sorry state of affairs.
We've already addressed about if Crusher and Picard would kill someone like Vadic in the condition they were in, and we've addressed that while yes, they would view it as a departure from everything they held dear, this was different because now presumably their flesh and blood is involved in a direct way when before it was impersonal. It adds a direct personal conflict on if they could maintain their high values when suddenly it became direct and personal for them.
We started talking about instances in Treks past because in general the question of "would they" was answered and we started debating about past instances of controversial decisions and did not need to be reeled back in by a complaint hook about the writing.
We've already addressed about if Crusher and Picard would kill someone like Vadic in the condition they were in, and we've addressed that while yes, they would view it as a departure from everything they held dear, this was different because now presumably their flesh and blood is involved in a direct way when before it was impersonal. It adds a direct personal conflict on if they could maintain their high values when suddenly it became direct and personal for them.
We started talking about instances in Treks past because in general the question of "would they" was answered and we started debating about past instances of controversial decisions and did not need to be reeled back in by a complaint hook about the writing.
You see a guy post just remember this
Well then you obviously didn't read it properly because that's not the issue that I addressed in my post. Not even close. The only thing you got right is the "lazy writing" and "stupid drama" part, but I actually supported my claims. And you haven't addressed any of it in this post.
Where’s the love, then?
You have entered a space devoted to one iteration of a larger thing called Star Trek. Clearly you don’t like this iteration and, to take you at your word, you “love” some other iterations. Totally fine and no one is required to appreciate all versions. Furthermore, you’ve made it crystal clear that this iteration in particular vexes you to no end. Whatever infinitesimal positive it might contain, from your perspective, is utterly subsumed by the negative. Also totally fine. However, the question then arises—what is the end goal of your complaints? To sway the views of those who are truly enjoying this show? Prospects for success? Dim. To make sure your displeasure is known? Mission accomplished. So successfully accomplished, in fact, it requires no further effort on your part. Job well done.
I haven't addressed it because I don't agree and furthermore I am enjoying the show. It isn't top tier writing, Star Trek rarely is.I find this show to be a reasonably sufficient distraction from the utter shitshow that the world has fallen into in the last three years. Star Trek is one of the few things that still is able to engage my brain enough, even tangentally or in a meandering way in a genre that isn't space wizards using magic with laser swords or orcs, elves and goblins.
I genuinely don't get where you guys are coming from. Can't there be voices that differ from the common consensus? I'll admit that I was OTT on the first evening but beyond that I've just tried to have a conversation. Isn't that healthy? And in terms of health, I'm not angry or reactionary here; I'm actively trying to have a discussion about the series, a series that I have no problem with anyone enjoying but man, I can't get over people calling it great. Just because you disagree with me shouldn't make you try to shut me down. “I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
What exactly do you not agree with? You slag me over having an issue about the plotting and I give you a few examples and you just say, "nah, I don't agree with you." Fair enough. I'll leave you be so leave me be too, you know? I'm not quite sure what the issue is here.
Other than the last few of your posts defending your point of view, you've been completely redundant on your distaste for this particular show.
That's not having a conversation, that's simply an attempt to tear down the show.
It has become tiresome.
No one is saying there cannot be voices that aren't just saying the same thing or having unique opinions.
That is a you problem and whatever validity your posts have is being overshadowed by the fact you're not contibuting in any other discussions. All 43 posts are just bitching about apparently this one episode and trying to throw hands at anyone who doesn't agree.
I don't agree that the show is terrible or that the writing is horrid or lazy or its filled with boring tropes. I am enjoying the show, it's completely average and normal Star Trek and I don't find it better or worse than the average content we've had off and on for the last nearly 40 years
