[*Checks watch*]
Since....oh....September 8, 1966. But hey, with time travel shenanigans who knows.
Since....oh....September 8, 1966. But hey, with time travel shenanigans who knows.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
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It was in TNG, until it was retconned in other series.
Thankfully.
Nah. Was never perfect in any series.
Not perfect, but the unethical behavior was the exception, not the rule.
Different things. Star Trek, not a utopia, Its a TV show. it rarely explored the "utopia" of the Federation. Utopias not the best fodder for drama.
Only if you accepted the ethical claims of the show at face value.
- Dr. McCoy : Well, that's the second time man's been thrown out of paradise.
Captain James T. Kirk : No, no, Bones, this time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through, struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.
Hell, based on when the cloaking device for the Pegasus was developed, secretly installed and then covered up by Starfleet Intelligence and Secton 31 the "ethical utopia" didn't even exist in 2358, and that was when the main enemies were the Cardassians, Tzenkethi and Talarians.
"On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the Demilitarised Zone all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people. Angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive whether it meets with Federation approval or not."
– Benjamin Sisko, DS9: "The Maquis, Part II"
"Let me tell you something about hew-mons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."
– Quark, DS9: "The Siege of AR-558"
It still goes back to the "I didn't know" moment.
Picard isnt a parent . His parentage is still up in the air and we're nearly at the end of this. This person or changeling could give him valuable information about Jack, about this whole plot. This whole 7 episodes. I genuinely think that the Borg have taken over this forum
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Now, now. There's no reason to get testy. We're just talking about the motivations for fictional characters!
Earlier in this thread you were asking for a respectful discussion. That's a two-way street.
I've considered what you had to say but it just doesn't ring true for me. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
The renewed Romulan threat came first.
We saw Starfleet undergoing military buildup in response to the Romulans return before they even met the Borg. Dialogue in The Measure of a Man established that the new Starbase seen in that episode was established where it was specifically due to the Romulan resurgence. By the end of season 2, which is of course after the Borg have been discovered, we see Starfleet engaged in military war games. However, Picard says in the dialogue that Starfleet had been after him to do this for some time, but it was the appearance of the Borg that convinced him to do so, which means Starfleet originally would have asked him before his encounter with the Borg.
Watch Beverly's face when she and Picard have that conversation. She was not panicking and the two were definitely playacting to manipulate Vadic. They never intended to kill her.
What hasn't been
She was in a contained cell. They still didn't really know what her connection to Jack was. This Jack thing...lord, give me strength. And they were about to shoot her. The only reason they didn't kill her beyond their bad aim was .....plot. Data Lore shi46 got in the way. I've just been talking about plot contrivances mainly over the last day or two. Don't get me started on character assassination.
I can't believe that. When did Lore ever show any goodness in any of the episodes he's been in? I don't think there's any bit of goodness within him. No redeeming features. There's no reasoning with him. His kindness towards Data in "Descent Parts 1 and 2" wasn't real. He was just using Data for his own ends.
Beverly threatened Vadic before Picard entered the scene.
