Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"

[Andyliini]

I rated it 8/10, good, but not as good as Season 1 or 2 openers. Funny thing I noticed is that every season begins by someone asking help from Picard. First season it was Dahj, second season it was Jurati-Borg and now third season, Beverly Crusher.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I know people will disagree (and it's honestly all subjective) but I always found the Farscape and BSG thing of inserting alternative curse words like "Fracking" and "Frelling" rather silly.

You could do the A Clockwork Orange, Firefly, or Blade Runner approach where language becomes a mishmash of different languages in the future, where characters would throw random elements of Mandarin or Spanish into a sentence to signify how culturally commonplace those languages had become globally.

Although, given that Star Trek has the universal translator as established canon for decades, it doesn't exactly make sense that everyone is hearing English (or Federation Standard) except for a few words here and there (even though I've never understood how the universal translator does that with Klingon, since it seems to know when a speaker doesn't want what he's saying translated and knows to keep it in Klingon for emphasis).

Easy solution - the universal translator is real and has translated their speech into modern language for us, the audience, to understand.

Bit of suspending disbelief/fantasy there but so is the thinking by some that we can predict how future generations will speak

 

[warp-coil]

loving the incredibly volume of discussion already! I guess I am late.

9/10 for me.

I loved seeing the retro Beverly Crusher identification photo on the computer. The whole view of the LCARS was so cool to see.

 

[NCC-73515]

I rated it 8/10, good, but not as good as Season 1 or 2 openers. Funny thing I noticed is that every season begins by someone asking help from Picard. First season it was Dahj, second season it was Jurati-Borg and now third season, Beverly Crusher.

Could be because the show is called Picard...?

 

[Markonian]

I wonder if there are elements of the English language that survive to modern day only because Star Trek reruns introduced them to younger audiences over the decades?

As for the ep, visually appealing. Nice ships. Liking the Titan-A less after seeing it in action.
Doctor Crusher follows the modern trope of "exceptional Starfleet officer becomes disgruntled civilian". She also got cheated out of her USS Pasteur captaincy in this dark post-NEM timeline.

 

[Trekker4747]

I think my favorite Easter egg was

IN THE 25TH CENTURY....

It's not an Easter Egg when it's obvious and right in your GD face

 

[Trekker4747]

Don't forget Deanna's secret, dead sister!

... I had.

 

[Mudd]

It's perhaps worth noting that the notion that TREK characters should speak in a somewhat formal manner is a relatively "new" one. Originally, on TOS, the dialogue felt more colloquial. Spock used very formal diction, but not the other characters.

"In a pig's eye!"

"Let's get the hell out of here."

"I'll bet you credits to navy beans . . . "

"Would ye care to rephrase that, laddie?"

"You Klingon bastard! You killed my son!"

This a matter of taste, of course, but I prefer it when Star Trek characters talk like real people. It helps humanize them.

Is this believable, linguistically? Maybe not, but any show set in the far past or distant future is going to have to fudge things to make the dialogue comprehensible to contemporary audiences. And you're always going to be walking a tightrope between making the dialogue sound too contemporary OR too stiff and stilted. ("Yonder lies the castle of my father!")

Personally, I'm inclined to err toward colloquial.

+1 for colloquially- SNW rules!

The first character to say "memberberry," however, should meet with a swift transporter accident.

 

[SJGardner]

I'm not worried about contemporary slang in Star Trek. Wake me up and complain when the Enterprise-F swoops in to save the day and Riker exclaims "Poggers," to which Crusher agrees that it's indeed "Lit", Picard offers a sympathetic "Bruh" to Seven whenever Shaw antagonizes her, Lore summarizes Vadic's motive rant with "Based," or Riker cringes hard at Seven's attempts to rekindle her relationship with Raffi by murmuring to Picard that "she has no rizz, Fam."

 

[Mudd]

Or, Picard will continue addressing Seven as Seven, whereupon Shaw will rant about "woke shit."

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I'm not worried about contemporary slang in Star Trek. Wake me up and complain when the Enterprise-F swoops in to save the day and Riker exclaims "Poggers," to which Crusher agrees that it's indeed "Lit", Picard offers a sympathetic "Bruh" to Seven whenever Shaw antagonizes her, Lore summarizes Vadic's motive rant with "Based," or Riker cringes hard at Seven's attempts to rekindle her relationship with Raffi by murmuring to Picard that "she has no rizz, Fam."

I would LOVE to hear/see Jean-Luc exclaim "bruh...!"

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe the universal translator doesn’t translate cursing. Picard has said merde a few times. There’s examples of Klingon cursing not being translated (though you could hand wave that as the word not having an exact translation into standard)


A friend of mine tried to explain Shaw’s point of view by spinning the situation around

“Easy way to do that: imagine Shaw is Picard and the two who come on board are an elderly Kirk and Sulu and it's TNG Season 1.

We might sympathize with Kirk and Sulu bc they are legends but it IS Picards ship not theirs.”

 

[Tuskin38]

The man that could be stunned and disarmed since he was injured on the floor, yes. TNG Crusher wouldn’t do that.

Re-watch TNG 6x22

 

[ED-209]

Re-watch TNG 6x22

He wasn't incapacitated on the floor.

 

[Caeruleus]

I have a problem with Shaw's "Picard is now retired admiral". How Picard can be retired, when he's doing active duty for Starfleet heading it's Academy? Isn't he The Chancellor of Star Fleet Academy? That's means he's is Starfleet personnel with current rank of an admiral. So he can not be retired in season 3 as he was in season 1.

 

[Tuskin38]

He wasn't incapacitated on the floor.

She still fired a kill shot first, she didn’t even try to stun him, she went straight for the kill setting.

 

[Paul Weaver]

I have a problem with Shaw's "Picard is now retired admiral". How Picard can be retired, when he's doing active duty for Starfleet heading it's Academy? Isn't he The Chancellor of Star Fleet Academy? That's means he's is Starfleet personnel with current rank of an admiral. So he can not be retired in season 3 as he was in season 1.

he was active in season 2, presumably he recently re-retired to move to new Romulus with Laris.

 

[ED-209]

So I rewatched and that Crusher momment still left a bad taste in my mouth, it was explained later as others have said but still....

So are we all supposed to act surprised when Crushers son turns out to be Picards??

Apart from the presence of Raffi (sorry can't stand her) it was a good season opening, will be interesting to see where it goes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Easy solution - the universal translator is real and has translated their speech into modern language for us, the audience, to understand.

Bit of suspending disbelief/fantasy there but so is the thinking by some that we can predict how future generations will speak

Since the invention of wax cilinders and then magnetic tape, verbal drift has screached to almost a complete halt.

 

[Guy Gardener]

So I rewatched and that Crusher momment still left a bad taste in my mouth, it was explained later as others have said but still....

So are we all supposed to act surprised when Crushers son turns out to be Picards??

Apart from the presence of Raffi (sorry can't stand her) it was a good season opening, will be interesting to see where it goes.

Isn't it weird that Shinzon went after Dee, when in his bones, when all he could feel beyond his own body falling apart, was an aching love for Beverly?