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nt. But once Discovery and Picard came out everyone swore constantly. I guess modern audiences need action and 21st century language to be able to understand the show.
What they understood was it was a joke it a comedic film. And those who follow the franchise and actually pay attention would know it was never the case. “Colorful metaphors” were in use as far back as TOS.

Yeah, Disco has used swear words, but it has never been constantly.
. I guess modern audiences need action and 21st century language to be able to understand the show. I
From the start the show an action-adventure show and used contemporary language. People relate to characters and situations they can understand. Even if the setting is a planet light years away and the character has purple skin and three eyes.
Almost everything the major cast wore was from old 21st century earth style. Is that because audiences today can't relate to futuristic costuming? Lol
More likely because they were comfortable and didn’t look ridiculous. The days of leotards with carpet swatches attached are long gone.
 
Even as far back as 1986 Trek was using the term "double dumbass on you." We're about 37 years too late to the pearl-clutching indignation game when
it comes to slang being used in the franchise.
In STTVH Kirk only used it when he tried to blend in. There was a whole scene dedicated to how 20th century humans would swear. Swearing was not common during Kirk's time.
 
In STTVH Kirk only used it when he tried to blend in. There was a whole scene dedicated to how 20th century humans would swear. Swearing was not common during Kirk's time.
He called the Klingons bastards in ST3.
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You cannot, on God's Green Earth, convince me that The Federation doesn't work with some kind of money. There is no way in hell people are willingly working service jobs like being a watier at Siskos or a suds slinger in Bozeman at the theme park because they think it's fun.

My personal theory is that "no money" is an oversimplification for us primitive 20th/21st Century denizens of capitalism. Rather, Federation worlds have an extensive social welfare system that ensures that the material necessities of what we would today consider a comfortable middle-class life (a two-story, three-bedroom, 2-bathroom house, a personal vehicle, good medical care, good nutrition, electricity, heating, utilities, etc.) can all be provided free of charge (because the costs of producing such goods and services has decreased so dramatically in the era of fusion reactors, replicators, automated construction, etc.). But, if you want to obtain levels of wealth beyond that -- a level that is, again, I would emphasize very comfortable by modern standards -- then you probably have to go out and have a career. Since the Federation obviously doesn't practice capitalism (because it is a system of legalized thievery from workers), I figure businesses above a certain size in the Federation are probably all worker-owned, democratically-managed co-ops.

Ya know, unless you were allowed to tell people to go to hell in your shop without consequence.

Well, if there's no money, then there's no profit motive. If there's no profit motive, then there's no incentive to put up with obnoxious customers treating you like crap. So, yeah, there's really no reason why service sector workers wouldn't be allowed to just kick unruly customers out unilaterally.

"So Commander Hansen..."

"I prefer Seven."

"...did you change your name?"

"Sir?"

"Did you change your name with the Federation records office?"

"...no. But it's my prefered designation."

"I run a very professional ship. You may have had a bit more leeway back with Admiral Janeway or Retired Admiral Picard, but I run this ship by the books, very organised and formally. Which means I'd prefer if you went by Commander Hansen in the same way I, everyone on this ship, and many officers in Starfleet, go by their last names. To explain it further, it is to instil that everyone has a job to do, and is expected to be professional at all times."

"...I understand, Sir. If I may make my objections known?"

"They're noted, as is your right."

Refusing to call someone by the name they identify as is not professionalism. It is intentional disrespect for your own crew.

I wonder if there are elements of the English language that survive to modern day only because Star Trek reruns introduced them to younger audiences over the decades?

I don't know that Star Trek has reached that level of influence. About the only thing I can think of would be the nickname "Sawbones"/"Bones" for a ship's surgeon, which I first encountered in TOS and have never encountered elsewhere.

Doctor Crusher follows the modern trope of "exceptional Starfleet officer becomes disgruntled civilian". She also got cheated out of her USS Pasteur captaincy in this dark post-NEM timeline.

I mean, commanding a starship is not the highest accomplishment a person can achieve. I don't think her not commanding the Pasteur is being "cheated out" of anything.

Yeah I agree. Audience members back during the STTVH days understood what Admiral Kirk meant when he told Spock about how humans used to use colorful language and how every word was a swear word. Basically they understood that language had changed by then and no one used it with regularity anymore.

Which is absolutely absurd. Swear words serve a vital linguistic function in human communication. People need interjections and adjectives and adverbs that express extreme strong levels of emotional investment in the topic at hand, up to and including interjections that are coded as "lightly taboo" so as to provide an emotional pressure valve. The idea that this linguistic need is going to go away is, well, bullshit.

But once Discovery and Picard came out everyone swore constantly.

False.

I guess modern audiences need action and 21st century language to be able to understand the show.

Your subjective distaste for the artistic conventions of a television show does not endow you with intellectual superiority over others, bruh.

And Star Trek has always been a thoroughly middle-brow action-adventure program. They didn't have all that Kirk-Fu because audiences were too advanced in 1967 for action.

Same goes with the civilian clothes. The first two seasons of Picard is terrible in this. Almost everything the major cast wore was from old 21st century earth style. Is that because audiences today can't relate to futuristic costuming? Lol

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

Tell me you know nothing about fashion without telling me you know nothing about fashion.

Listen, Robert Blackman was an amazing costume designer, but the civilian clothing of most of the Berman era was laughably, hilarious ugly. Like they were basically making poor Cirroc Lofton wear Greyhound bus chair fabric when they weren't making him wear shiny multicolored lamé. I cannot tell you how many people I would try to introduce Star Trek to who would be unable to take it seriously because of how ridiculous the civilian clothing was. It made Star Trek come across as un-aware camp to a large percentage of the potential audience who might otherwise have been interested.

The civilian costumes on Picard do not register as strictly contemporary -- rather, they register as being generically post-19th Century without belonging to any particular decade.

The movie right before that Kirk goes "you Klingon bastard"

Fuck has been around in the English language for a while now. Do we honestly think it will be gone completely and no one will ever use it? Seriously? :vulcan::wtf:

Indeed, the earliest known use of the word fuck dates from 1310.
 
Somehow I doubt "fucking cool" will be gone from our lexicon by the 2250s. Call it a weird gut feeling. I could be wrong but certain phrases tend to hang around.
Fuck has been around in the English language for a while now. Do we honestly think it will be gone completely and no one will ever use it? Seriously? :vulcan::wtf:
As I'm fond of pointing out, people are still going to swear when they stub their toes or spill their coffee. No matter how advanced society may become.

Heck, didn't Picard throw off a "merde" or two, now and then?
5 ways cursing and swearing can be good for you | CNN

I particularly like the part that says, "Cursing may be a sign of intelligence". If that's true, I'm one genius motherfucker!
 
From the start the show an action-adventure show and used contemporary language. People relate to characters and situations they can understand. Even if the setting is a planet light years away and the character has purple skin and three eyes.
Yup. Star Trek has always been about our humanity and the times it was made in.
I've never found anyone who curses on a regular basis to be all that intelligent. Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong pottymouths.
I supervise Masters degree clinicians. My supervisor has a Masters degree. Her supervisor has a PhD. We all swear
 
To be fair, I'm referring to people who swear so much that they could give Eddie Murphy's '80's stand-up comedy routines a run for their money.

Try spending some summers in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you weren't cursing before, you most certainly would be afterwards.

Since the next time I'll be going to Iraq and Afghanistan is never, I'll take your word for it.
 
The Titan is ok ship but why do all the new ships look like throwbacks to the tos movies especially on the saucers. They all look blocky. It's like a step back from the D. The enterprise D actually looks more futuristic than the designs we are seeing now especially the saucer section. Now they went back to the tos versions. Too bad.
 
I've never found anyone who curses on a regular basis to be all that intelligent. Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong pottymouths.

May be a regional thing. Trust me, NYC, among other places, is full of smart, creative people for whom "fuck" is just part of their general vocabulary.

Swearing may carry other connotations in other regions (which I sometimes have to remind myself when traveling). :)
 
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