I still find it odd that no one has mentioned the events of the first episode all season...especially since it was mentioned the Borg anomaly had temporal radiation. Even in episode 2 when Picard was confronting Q he didn't mention that he had hoped to destroy the Stargazer or ask about the Borg ship and queen. He asked what Q had done with the crew of the Stargazer, which is odd since Picard was about to blow them all up.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"
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Confusion of an old man...err, synth...immediately after being resurrected from death?
They might try freezing themselves in a Space Shuttle like what happened to Buck!
But, seriously, I'm assuming that Talinn and her advanced friends can help with that.
The Borg are like Apocalypse from Patrick's other sci-fi franchise. They claim to be perfecting society through their actions, and indirectly end up doing so by forcing society to advance to a level to be able to defeat them, with ironically the proponents of the 'survival of the fittest' philosophy (Borg, Apocalypse) being the losers and not on top like they thought they were going to be.
You are bringing up out of universe reasons. Raffi would not know that. From her point of view, it might seem like going to starfleet is what caused him to be on the mission and die. So it makes sense for her to think she is to blame, even if maybe she isn't to blame.
I was going between a 7 and an 8 but, because of the character insight it's given to Picard and Seven, and the internal struggle between Jurati and the Borg Queen, I'll go ahead and go with an 8.
I really hope next week is a 9 or 10. They'll have to have tight laser-focus and speed next week. Not a second wasted. And that could lead to a very dynamic episode with some epiphanies amongst the main characters.
I really hope next week is a 9 or 10. They'll have to have tight laser-focus and speed next week. Not a second wasted. And that could lead to a very dynamic episode with some epiphanies amongst the main characters.
The Borg are basically a sentient virus. Ultimately they are either purged, or kill their host and die out on their own.
The only way for a virus to survive in the longer run is to mutate to become more benign.
I didn't buy the "always losing" thing just like I didn't buy the "it's not about perfect. You're lonely" thing. The Borg had a very long and successful career of assimilating other races. It was only relatively recently that they started losing to the Federation. Also, "losing in every timeline"? I don't know about that!
They oversold those points trying to make the persuasion more feasible. In the end, I can kind of buy the persuasion but more because Agnes is in there.
I think it's more that it would have seemed weird for Raffi to have been so affected by Elnor's death, then totally unmoved by his image standing before her. It's not logical (or narratively satisfying) to have a character pour out their heart to a stand-in, but Raffi is guilt-driven and emotional right now. Also, I suspect Elnor's going to be back, but that when we get back to Picard rectifying his mistake on the bridge of the Stargazer, Raffi and Elnor are still going to be off on a different ship, and we won't get to see their reunion. This kind of sort of resolves the whole guilt/manipulation bit without taking time away from the finale.
That's the same rating I went with. Definitely agree, they need to be really tight in the next episode to have any chance of pulling of a good resolution.
I've been mulling a bit as I read through the thread (it's always fun trying to 'keep up' with it on the day a new episode drops.)
I've been trying to decide if this season would have been better or worse without the entire Picard subplot about his mother? I get that this is all about 'character development' for Picard, but was it something we really needed? Think of all the screen time (an entire episode's worth plus) that could have been saved to flesh out, organize, and make the rest of the plotline make some logical sense.
What do you guys think? Better with or without the Picard-mama subplot? I'm leaning way towards 'better without.'
I've been trying to decide if this season would have been better or worse without the entire Picard subplot about his mother? I get that this is all about 'character development' for Picard, but was it something we really needed? Think of all the screen time (an entire episode's worth plus) that could have been saved to flesh out, organize, and make the rest of the plotline make some logical sense.
What do you guys think? Better with or without the Picard-mama subplot? I'm leaning way towards 'better without.'
Oh, I get the impact on Raffi at seeing Elnor, and she played that initial reaction perfectly. I'm not buying that the hologram of Elnor would know Elnor's final thoughts. But I don't think Elnor will be back. I took that scene as being the writers closing out his story. I could be wrong but we'll see . . .
If Elnor is back then that scene becomes a bit pointless (but there have been pointless episodes so I guess not argument against it, now that I think about it!)
I didn't get the impression he knew his final thoughts. He thought he said his final words.
More episodes?! They were running out of ideas for the episodes they had!!
I really enjoyed this episode, a real improvement over the last few. I went in hoping that they'd finally start doing things so this was satisfying. Episode did a good job tying together all these stories to their ends even if it felt completely unearned based on the actual previous episodes. This felt like Georgiou's goodbye episodes; really good, but like, a conclusion to a much better story than we were served I feel. I think I am in agreement that this season really only had a movie's worth of story spread out over a season. This season seems fine on paper but the delivery and the overall season pacing is super lacking since there is very little story here.
Lovely surprise, the Jurati speech was actually pretty good. I think we all kind of knew from the beginning that we'd eventually get the Borg redemption and I don't hate it here, even though the actual path to get here wasn't great. Season 1 was hit or miss good with a whatever ending. Season 2 is shaping up to be a great intro and ending, with a criminally lackluster middle part.
The conclusion to the Picard mystery about his mom was a beautifully tragic scene and playing it in reverse was lovely. If they had tightened up how they addressed her story throughout the season, this could have been even better.
So it seems like Queen Jurati is gonna recruit NuBorg in this pocket timeline and then timeline hop back to the Prime timeline?
Lovely surprise, the Jurati speech was actually pretty good. I think we all kind of knew from the beginning that we'd eventually get the Borg redemption and I don't hate it here, even though the actual path to get here wasn't great. Season 1 was hit or miss good with a whatever ending. Season 2 is shaping up to be a great intro and ending, with a criminally lackluster middle part.
The conclusion to the Picard mystery about his mom was a beautifully tragic scene and playing it in reverse was lovely. If they had tightened up how they addressed her story throughout the season, this could have been even better.
So it seems like Queen Jurati is gonna recruit NuBorg in this pocket timeline and then timeline hop back to the Prime timeline?
I believe the hologram mentioned thoughts, but I could be wrong. Anyone have the exact words?
Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you. Best you get used to that quickly to avoid further frustration. I guarantee you differences in opinions will be a constant in your life and over far more important issues than a TV show!
