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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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I'm sure the new Kirk in SNW will be a sharp change from William Shatner. At this point I'm used to recasted characters in the same universe being jarringly different all of a sudden.

Nothing may ever top recasting Roger Moore with Timothy Dalton in the Bond franchise.

I just finished watching all the Bond films from beginning to end. I had only ever seen View to a Kill in the theaters, and snippets of other movies here and there, but never the full films in order. It amazed me just how bad the Sean Connery Bond was, and how awesome the Daniel Craig version is. I also realized that the campiness that ended with Brosnan's Bond was a good thing.
 
I'm sure the new Kirk in SNW will be a sharp change from William Shatner. At this point I'm used to recasted characters in the same universe being jarringly different all of a sudden.

Nothing may ever top recasting Roger Moore with Timothy Dalton in the Bond franchise.
Kirk has taken a few "sharp changes" over the decades from broody Pike like Kirk to twinkle in the eye mid TOS Kirk to Movie Kirk to NuKirk. He evolved as the writers and Shatner found the character. And NuKirk was built on that and the pop culture Kirk. Be interesting to see how NuRKirk will be characterized.
 
I just finished watching all the Bond films from beginning to end. I had only ever seen View to a Kill in the theaters, and snippets of other movies here and there, but never the full films in order. It amazed me just how bad the Sean Connery Bond was, and how awesome the Daniel Craig version is. I also realized that the campiness that ended with Brosnan's Bond was a good thing.
I would have that completely the other way around
 
I think Connery's last official outing in 1971 is mediocre at best but to say he's a bad James Bond...eh. I'd say you're definitely in the global minority on that one.
 
As far as 21st century Guinan goes, she never got to see the future in this timeline, she never had concrete evidence that things would eventually get better.

Which is interesting, because they have now given us two distinct versions of the character.
 
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That's untrue, by which I mean the following.

In "The City on the Edge of Forever," we have no demonstration of any kind that option #A ever occurred. We witness option #C, and Spock deduces that option #B occurred, relative to the landing party on the Guardian's planet, after McCoy went through and before Kirk and Spock went through.

As for option #A? Whether it ever occurred is entirely supposition. It's assumed by some fans that it happened, but the on-screen events are perfectly compatible with the premise that fixing the timeline means not only saving Edith, but in fact restoring option #C.

In addition, if we take what the Guardian says at the end, "All is as it was before," as being literally true with the emphasis on the word all, then the time travelers went back originally, and there was never any option #A.
Actually we do have evidence that the timeline A with absolutely no time travel involved existed, and that's the data on Spock's tricorder that Spock used to determine what had changed in the timeline.

He even states, "This is how time went after McCoy changed it..."

Again: There is no timeline "actively in play" until the divergence. Both Federation and Confederation timelines are possible futures. One cannot be dominant over the other UNTIL the divergence occurs.

Yes, Picard and crew did travel back from the Confederation future, but the Federation future also still exists. Just like the Kelvin vs. Prime timelines...
But in this reality Picard traveled back to the 21st century AFTER Q changed the timeline. Vast the Federation timeline does not exist when Picard and Co take the bodies and the Confederation ship that they're in back to the 21st century.
 
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What's longer? It's 57 years, by the way.

I dont know but this show hasnt even had its pilot aired yet. The other thing you all are talking about was an unaired pilot for a tv show called Star Trek. It was re-edited into a two part episode called the menagerie and used for the show Star Trek which had a different pilot episode The unaired pilot is not fully canon. The unaired pilot was produced by different people, cast with different people etc. This show is also called Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. It's a prequel to Star Trek...
 
She was an author, and referred to as "Madam" Guinin 8 times.

A news paper announced her "literary reception"

Guinan had put herself in the upper echalons where it is relatively safe.
I think the reception was for Mister Clemens and Guinan was the host,.
 
I dont know but this show hasnt even had its pilot aired yet. The other thing you all are talking about was an unaired pilot for a tv show called Star Trek. It was re-edited into a two part episode called the menagerie and used for the show Star Trek which had a different pilot episode The unaired pilot is not fully canon. The unaired pilot was produced by different people, cast with different people etc. This show is also called Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. It's a prequel to Star Trek...
Humor, it is a difficult concept. I don't believe they were intending their remark to be taken quite so literally, but @Sci can speak for himself.

The unaired pilot is not fully canon.
It's a part of TOS-R, so it's fully canon.
 
Isn't it entirely possibly that Jurati managed to find a way to use existing 2024 satellites around the Earth to do the beaming?
Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me since it took her several minutes to find a way to make it work and all she would be doing is making the beams pass through the satellites.

Absolutely anything is possible in Star Trek, as long as we're satisfied with being manipulated, because everything is made up on the fly to get to the next arbitrarily decreed plot point.

It's not like they would have to hold/store any of the data streams.

You mean like bouncing it off a mirror?

Sure, that'd work...since it's all arbitrary magic and there's no science or technological thinking involved, "Data stream" is just a magic word, after all. They could as easily invoke phlogiston or aether.
 
I dont know but this show hasnt even had its pilot aired yet. The other thing you all are talking about was an unaired pilot for a tv show called Star Trek. It was re-edited into a two part episode called the menagerie and used for the show Star Trek which had a different pilot episode The unaired pilot is not fully canon. The unaired pilot was produced by different people, cast with different people etc. This show is also called Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. It's a prequel to Star Trek...
The first episode of SNW isn't a pilot. It's just the first episode. Recasting and behind the scene changes aren't unheard of between pilot and series. Star Trek itself is an example of that. When the suits gave Trek a second pilot they pretty much said recast everyone if you want. :lol:
 
The unaired pilot is not fully canon.

Yes, it is.

The only way you can exclude it from being "really part of Star Trek" is if you define canon as including "only those episodes of Star Trek produced in the 1960s that were aired by the NBC network in the 1960s," which is patent nonsense and, frankly, would be stupid argumentative gibberish.

"The Cage" has been labeled and sold by the studio as Star Trek in every edition of the complete original series since VHS in the 1980s. It's met every reasonable criterion for being "canon" ever since it was broadcast in 1988.

There is a reasonable alternative answer of course, which is "So what? Canon is a notion that means nothing and is of no importance or relevance whatever. Trek s producers decide at any given time what elements of the vast collection of previous aired Star Trek material is relevant to what they're doing and use it, and ignore what's inconvenient to them at that time. And if pressed to explain themselves publicly for some reason, they say whatever they think sounds good."
 
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Yes, it is.

The only way you can exclude it from being "really part of Star Trek" is if you define canon as including "only those episodes of Star Trek produced in the 1960s that were aired by the NBC network in the 1960s," which is patent nonsense and, frankly, would be stupid argumentative gibberish.

"The Cage" has been labeled and sold by the studio as Star Trek in every edition of the complete original series since VHS in the 1980s. It's met every reasonable criterion for being "canon" ever since it was broadcast in 1988.

There is a reasonable alternative answer of course, which is "So what? Canon is a notion that means nothing and is of no importance or relevance whatever. Trek producers decide at any given time what elements of the vast collection of previous aired Star Trek material is relevant to what they're doing and use it, and ignore what's inconvenient to them at that time. And if pressed to explain themselves publicly for some reason, they say whatever they think sounds good."

Agreed it's very much canon. Hell, wasn't it back-door canonized when it was used in "The Menagerie?" before the whole episode was aired. What? Just the scenes they transmitted and played on the ship are canon and not the rest of the episode? :rolleyes: The whole episode is canon. Period.

And since, apparently, it's a connection they're making (and one I'm all for. I roll my eyes and groan at a lot of the connects NuTrek makes to Classic and "Modern Trek" (like using the Guardian in DISC) but the Assignment: Earth stuff? I'm all for. Going to put that episode in and give it a watch tonight, been a good while since I've seen it.
 
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