Yes but the showrunner has stated that’s why Guinan doesn’t remember. They’re going by the rules that they need to prevent the change for the Federation to occur.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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Time alterations don't only go one way, it would effect events before it as well. Janeway even mentions this in an episode of Voyager. The effect can sometimes preceed the cause.
Q changes the future, some any time travel events to the past would never have happened.
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/picard-showrunner-guinan-2024-jean-luc-star-trek
I don't necessarily agree with your premises — and the writers have a free hand, both to accept and to reject them — but I like your post nonetheless for articulating an interesting approach.
Maybe it's like First Contact. The Borg blew shit up but the crew fixed it.
Now THAT I agree with.
True. I just figured it was similar to First Contact or Yesteryear. Or whatever.
But we know it went wrong and we know the crew were back in the past. From the perspective of the Confederation, our crew failed. So, we know the outcome.
But no matter how you slice it, there are inconsistencies. Best to just enjoy the ride.
So, if they do correct the timeline in 3 days, then the normal timeline exists after that point, which includes the Federation. You're thinking too linearly.
Old Biff was able to return to a fine 2015 because young Biff hadn't used the Almanac yet. Then, later, old Biff got sick and faded. If Doc & Marty had waited around too long, their 2015 would've changed around them.
Here's a thought: SMG would've been a better older&younger Guinan. Looking forward to responses.
Here's a thought: SMG would've been a better older&younger Guinan. Looking forward to responses.
*shrugs* I was enthralled from beginning to end. It's my favorite episode of the season so far.
Maybe. Or maybe the Aegis have a temporal awareness that transcends alterations to the timeline.
Why?
One of the most basic reasons I have no problem with the idea that Guinan came up with the idea of calling the Enterprise's mess hall "Ten Forward" is that there has literally never been any other mess hall on any ship named with that convention. The mess hall aboard Voyager wasn't called "Two Forward." Neither was the USS Defiant's mess hall. Etc.
It's also fine to say, "I don't like this idea" without arguing it means that there's some sort of continuity problem.
Or maybe she was wandering the Alpha Quadrant and spent time on worlds like Andor, Vulcan, Betazed, Risa, Coridan, etc.
I mean, the writers have to balance continuity trivia like that with the question of pacing and of what the expectations of the audience in general are going to be. Most members of the audience probably aren't going to remember a trivia point about Picard meeting young Guinan in 1893 in a mediocre episode of TNG that has faded from public memory and which aired when George Bush Sr. was still president.
(Seriously -- the time between today and "Time's Arrow, Part II" airing is greater than the time between the first episode of TOS aired and the premiere of "Time's Arrow, Part II.")
You know, I was pissed at Raffi for behaving unprofessionally as a Starfleet officer in her treatment of Picard. But you know what? Having lost people I loved, I can completely see making the choices she's making. For her it's been less than twelve hours since Elnor died.
Oh c'mon. That complaint is just petty.
100% agreed here.
I mean, to me that's like expecting chapters in a book to give you a sense of resolution. They're not meant to be complete stories in their own right.
I mean, I think this logic applies to most time travel stories. But if it bothers you that much, just say
So...full disclosure here, I'm still back on p. 40, and I'm hoping that things are getting more civil rather than less.
The show is taking on ICE, among other very current issues, so we can expect posters here to talk about it. A civil debate is welcome. The key thing here is to stick to the subject matter and not make it about fellow posters.
Which is why the Guinan character being different doesn't make sense and makes me think they really did forget TIme's Arrow and they are like oops. We need to head canon us a excuse for our blunder. Because otherwise 2024 is the same as always but Guinan is the only thing altered pre-2024 by the time travel stuff.
The internet was very much a thing when DS9 was on the air...that was the era of the internet explosion.
This video seems to have been erased from the timeline.
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