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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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At this point, it would be like putting Brent Spiner in and saying he's NOT a Soong. Although given what you just said about the punk on the bus, I would now not be surprised if they did that this season.

This reminds me of the conversations around WandaVision, where fans felt they were lied to when it appeared the FOX Evan Peters’s version of Quicksilver appeared, but was revealed to not have been that iteration of the character at all.

There was an assumption of canonical intent in a clear reference/nod/callback that doesn’t impact or inform the story at all. It’s not unreasonable to assume that the bus punk was responding because of ST IV, of course, because that’s the moment the script/episode/show ‪‪is referencing. But it’s not impossible/implausible, and doesn’t not weaken/destroy that way the rest of the story has played out and been depicted, to consider that the bus punk could have coincidentally reacted this way without having had to encounter Spock and Kirk.

And this is way more time that ‪‪I care to spend talking about it already.

‪‪I didn’t require convincing from the authors to see the story as internally consistent with its own time travel logic accounting for Guinan not knowing her and Picard’s Time’s Arrow history. Clearly, not everyone is in agreement, but ‪‪I take issue with the false characterization of myself and others that “all it took was word from a writer,” when many of us where discussing getting the same impression before Matalas/anyone officially from Picard had commented.
 
The ham-fisted 'progressive' socio-politcal stuff just keeps taking me out of the story...or perhaps makes me realize that's the only 'story' they want to tell.
I'm fine with it to some degree. I feel such issues are important. The problem is, I watch Star Trek to get my mind away from such issues for a while after dealing with them all the time in real life. Stuff like 'Last Battlefield' still has a degree of separation that doesn't trigger any bad memories. Having a literal 2024 messed up California (where I live) shown on Star Trek does.

I haven't rewatched that 2024 DS9 episode recently. Might be harder to watch now.
 
The flashback scene with Picard and his mother is rather unbelievable. There is no way Picard's father would allow the chateau to have a house computer. Much like his son Ribert he was too traditional to allow such a thing.
 
The ham-fisted 'progressive' socio-politcal stuff just keeps taking me out of the story...or perhaps makes me realize that's the only 'story' they want to tell.

Trek has always done progressive socio-political commentary and it's not always been subtle with it. Maybe a bit less on the nose and obvious than we're getting here (but other than the environment classism and ICE stuff they're not being *that* blunt about things.)
 
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The flashback scene with Picard and his mother is rather unbelievable. There is no way Picard's father would allow the chateau to have a house computer. Much like his son Ribert he was too traditional to allow such a thing.
No, it's, uh, a prequel where this house computer will go bad and we find out how he became a luddite.
 
The flashback scene with Picard and his mother is rather unbelievable. There is no way Picard's father would allow the chateau to have a house computer. Much like his son Ribert he was too traditional to allow such a thing.
Also, the family lived in the UK for 400 years, but still remain their French cultural identity?
 
Can't say I'm aware of any, but maybe I am and don't know it.
As mentionend upthread Space Odditiy and Ashes to Ashes, Metallica had The Unforgiven and The Unforgiven II, I Need A Girl Pt.2 by Sean Combs is surprisingly a sequel as well, and of course Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 by Pink Floyd exists.

If you're German speaking, chances are very high you're familiar with the Jeanny Trilogy by Falco, each song an absolute banger
 
Not exactly. I think there is an overbearing quality to the modern iteration that leans toward in-your-face preaching that is in keeping with current big P 'Progressive' sensibilities.

This season of Picard is literally the first time I think Kurtzman Trek has made any coherent political statements. Season 1 only had incoherent political statements, and Discovery has no political content at all.
 
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