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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x02 - "Penance"

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Nah, not gonna make Picard (Evil or otherwise) into Captain Confederation.
Q is part of a long line of overpowered aliens in Trek.
The fact is it should have been mentioned during the time travel plot. Seven no longer has her Borg gear to compute it. Picard should have checked whether he can compute the math, find out his synth body isn't brain-enhanced, then move on I guess.
Q is a godlike being from another plane of existence. Star Trek has had lots of godlike beings. Having our main character get a synth body that gives him superpowers would be over the top IMO.
Considering Picard's in a temporary evil version of his synth body, the super strength and intelligence would only last for however long this story lasts, no different than Riker becoming a Q for a while in TNG.
 
he fact is it should have been mentioned during the time travel plot. Seven no longer has her Borg gear to compute it. Picard should have checked whether he can compute the math, find out his synth body isn't brain-enhanced, then move on I guess.
Nah. Such a scene serves no real purpose.
 
The fact is it should have been mentioned during the time travel plot. Seven no longer has her Borg gear to compute it. Picard should have checked whether he can compute the math, find out his synth body isn't brain-enhanced, then move on I guess
picard is fully human, albeit synthetic, he would never have even considered trying to “compute” data like a machine.
 
Am I the only one seeing the possibility of Seven turning on Picard here? In the real galaxy, she was mutilated and turned into a Borg. She's forever an outcast (who knows what happened to all her Voyager buddies but regardless they're all gone now) and is working as a vigilante. Yeah the new universe is evil, but Seven rules the galaxy and she was never assimilated. Maybe after some thought, she'll realize that she doesn't want to go back...
 
Am I the only one seeing the possibility of Seven turning on Picard here? In the real galaxy, she was mutilated and turned into a Borg. She's forever an outcast (who knows what happened to all her Voyager buddies but regardless they're all gone now) and is working as a vigilante. Yeah the new universe is evil, but Seven rules the galaxy and she was never assimilated. Maybe after some thought, she'll realize that she doesn't want to go back...
Yes.
 
Am I the only one seeing the possibility of Seven turning on Picard here? In the real galaxy, she was mutilated and turned into a Borg. She's forever an outcast (who knows what happened to all her Voyager buddies but regardless they're all gone now) and is working as a vigilante. Yeah the new universe is evil, but Seven rules the galaxy and she was never assimilated. Maybe after some thought, she'll realize that she doesn't want to go back...

There is some logic to it so maybe. But I think Seven has enough of a moral center that she would not doom everyone to that evil alt-timeline. And I don't think I would like Seven staying behind in the alt-timeline. I would hate for that to be the end of Seven's arc, unless maybe if she plans to reform the Confederation from within.
 
Am I the only one seeing the possibility of Seven turning on Picard here? In the real galaxy, she was mutilated and turned into a Borg. She's forever an outcast (who knows what happened to all her Voyager buddies but regardless they're all gone now) and is working as a vigilante. Yeah the new universe is evil, but Seven rules the galaxy and she was never assimilated. Maybe after some thought, she'll realize that she doesn't want to go back...
i’m afraid that ship has sailed. Unless she pretends to have been abducted by Picard and her husband believes it.
 
Am I the only one seeing the possibility of Seven turning on Picard here? In the real galaxy, she was mutilated and turned into a Borg. She's forever an outcast (who knows what happened to all her Voyager buddies but regardless they're all gone now) and is working as a vigilante. Yeah the new universe is evil, but Seven rules the galaxy and she was never assimilated. Maybe after some thought, she'll realize that she doesn't want to go back...
Seven is also a huge pragmatist but with a moral center. Remaining in this universe would not serve her interests in the long term.
 
Yeah, there's no way Seven is going to turn her back on who she is, abandon all her principles, and try to stay in this timeline she is established as considering horrific just because she doesn't currently have her Borg enhancements. In the prime timeline, she was working with the Fenris Rangers not because she was forced to, not because it was her only option, but because she chose to, because she saw billions of people in need and decided to do what she could to help them. That is not a person who jumps ship to join the bad guys at the first opportunity!

Besides, that bridge has already been burned.
 
Yeah, there's no way Seven is going to turn her back on who she is, abandon all her principles, and try to stay in this timeline she is established as considering horrific just because she doesn't currently have her Borg enhancements. In the prime timeline, she was working with the Fenris Rangers not because she was forced to, not because it was her only option, but because she chose to, because she saw billions of people in need and decided to do what she could to help them. That is not a person who jumps ship to join the bad guys at the first opportunity!

Besides, that bridge has already been burned.
Fair enough. Maybe the real world news has gotten me a bit too cynical lately. We're seeing real suffering that people won't take a stand against because they're afraid that they'll lose money, far less than about undoing horrific mutilation scars that damaged your health and life. Sometimes I have to remember that the Star Trek world is not our world, and we're still a long way from becoming like that world.
 
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Fair enough. Maybe the real world news has gotten me a bit too cynical lately. We're seeing real suffering that people won't take a stand against because they're afraid that they'll lose money, far less than about undoing horrific mutilation scars that damaged your health and life. Sometimes I have to remember that the Star Trek world is not our world, and we're still a long way from becoming like that world.
Bear in mind that Seven actually has seen that she has choice. Power will only do her so much good and the results may not be to her benefit.

In the real world, people don't always feel like they have choice and still get their needs met.
 
It really is too bad that after the backstep to 2024 we'll probably never see the Confederation again. It's an interesting take on an evil Federation counterpart that is miles better than the Mirror Universe. At this point I'm sick of the MU and hope the franchise never revisits it again.
 
Don't do this evil timeline.

Do this one instead.

I get that individual variation occurs but the Confederation is like the Terran Empire.
 
The Saurian is named Y'Shi
https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1503498634683318273/photo/1

Also, that's the Voth emblem just rotated clockwise 180.
https://startrekdesignproject.com/symbols/voth/

#StarTrekPicardBTS * In Ep 202 “Penance” we get a look at the dark side of Picard “The Borgslayer” with a showcase of his collection of skulls. As originally scripted it was going to be suits of armor, but I felt that A) That was going to be crazy expensive to do properly B) Might not be as impactful as we wanted. It felt a bit like Michael Keaton’s Batman’s display of Armor which wasn’t as vicious as our world. We went to the master @nevillepage who designed the wide variety of skulls, some that were mentioned in the dialogue while others were intended to just be background.

Front Row Starting from the Left
Cardassian – Gul Dukat
Vulcan – Director Sarek
Back Row Starting from Left
Ferengi – Grand Nagos Zek
Lihn Zhee – Chieftan M’Talas
Klingon – General Martok
Saurian – Commodore Y’Shi
Borg Sentinel – One of Two

Of course when it came to the Ferengi we discussed the Bone vs Cartilage in the ears. Many species have Flexible Dermal Armor, Microdocodon gracilis had hyoid bones that were flexible and required for eating. Add to that humans having bones in the ear specifically designed to facilitate auditory functions. The Ferengi Ears warranted this type of discussion. Would an alien species skeleton decay and exist in the same way as Humans? Osteology tells us that there is a wide variety of unique skeletal examples just here on Earth. Extrapolating that to species from other worlds, we can expect to find a wide variety of differences. Thus the slightly green hue of the Vulcan bones, and the fine detailed, “bones” of the Ferengi ears.

Neville Page did the designs of all of the skulls and then fabrication was handed off to @vincentvandykefx and his team for fabrication with Jeff Lombard in Props adding the weapons to the pedestals, and the pedestals themselves were designed by James Addink.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbGMCZvvicx/?utm_medium=share_sheet
 
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It isn't already with Q? And besides, it's completely in character for evil Picard to have powers built into his synth body. He doesn't have Prime Picard's humility.

Picard is at command level.

Physically fighting with super human strength is beneath him.

Command level people just point, and then thousands, if not millions of men just get to it.

It's also a sign of weakness, that he's over compensating for an inferiority complex.

Immortality however is horse of a different colour.
 
Picard is at command level.

Physically fighting with super human strength is beneath him.

Command level people just point, and then thousands, if not millions of men just get to it.

It's also a sign of weakness, that he's over compensating for an inferiority complex.
The most admired leaders often are the ones who tend to get their hands dirty, who lead from the frontlines. And that's not a sign of weakness.
 
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