Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 2, 2022.

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  1. SAndrews10

    SAndrews10 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Outside of the judges outfit, and “God” costume Q has always shown himself to Picard in the standard TNG duty uniform. MAYBE I would’ve had him shown up looking normal in uniform and then snap into older look with whatever the black outfit is
     
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  2. IMC Headquarters

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    Q picks on Picard because Janeway would hand him his lunch.
     
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  3. Romulan_spy

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    I thought the same thing. I think the scene would have been even better if we had seen a de-aged Q show up in the old TNG uniform and then snap into the black outfit and older face. That would have emphasized the point even better than Q thought it was still the TNG era and changes to catch up to present day Picard. And it would have given the de-aging a bit more of a reason beyond just explaining why De Lancie is older now.
     
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  4. Tuskin38

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    It’s based off his necklace from TNG. When wearing his red judge garb.
     
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  5. Anduinel

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    Ditto. The execution didn't do a lot for me, but I liked the concept, along with the notion of getting a show post-DS9 that let main characters be critical of the Federation. So I'm not totally thrilled at the possibility of most of the cast going back into the happy little Starfleet/Federation box. But we'll see where we are at the end of S3.
     
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  6. Vger23

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    A little late to the party, and I don’t really have the willpower to wrote a whole summary, but this was a really great hour of Star Trek. It exceeded my expectations quite nicely, and I loved almost everything about it. I was not expecting the substantial time jump, and I certainly was not expecting where they took most of the characters.

    It looked beautiful, was wonderfully acted, well-paced and left me wanting more! I was glued to it from start to finish. Not sure how the rest of the season will pan out, but this was a great season premier….maybe the best of the new era.

    only (extremely minor) nits:

    1. I liked the crew not being part of Starfleet last season. But, this episode worked so well, I’m willing to have a very positive attitude about the change.
    2. I never liked Guinan much, and those scenes felt kind of redundant.
    3. The new opening theme music sucks compared to last season, which was my favorite theme of the new era, and maybe my second-favorite of the television franchise.

    9.5/10 (I’ll round up in the poll)
     
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  7. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Commodore Commodore

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    yes, it was a bit strange (though not unprecedented) to see him out of uniform from the start. Well, I’m going to justify it as he certainly knew Picard was no longer Starfeet either.
     
  8. IMC Headquarters

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    Q sure knows how to make an entrance. I've missed him. Another memorable return like: "Welcome to the afterlife, Jean-Luc. You're dead."
     
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    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Well, Q did know to find him at the chateau, so he came dressed appropriately.
     
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    Irish women rock. Period.
     
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    loved it. after the end of last season i was hesitant, but so far, very good. I was not crazy about the chopped up theme in a different key, but the scoring of the actual episode was good.

    loved the Stargazer. nice to see Space Legolas doing well.

    What was the title of Spock's book? I did not see it.
     
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  12. JoaquinSlowly

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    The Many and the One.
     
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  13. Vale

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    Q appeared suitably garbed in his "Napoleonic war" game in TNG: "Hide and Q", his "Robin Hood" game in TNG: "Qpid", and his "afterlife" scenario in TNG: "Tapestry". We don't need to see him change outfits. Q's been on screen for about 30 seconds so far, let's see what explanations we get. Maybe it's the judge/officer uniform in whatever errant timeline Picard now finds himself in. Picard himself isn't in uniform, and Q isn't manifesting aboard a starship. When Quinn materialised on Voyager in VOY: "Death Wish" he was already wearing a Starfleet uniform, so maybe it's simply a perception thing – you see what you expect to see, or what most matches your surroundings. And since Q seems to be very much in "dark" mode rather than "playful" mode this time round, maybe he's just wearing an intimidating outfit for the lolz.

    EDIT: if you look at the "coming in season two" trailer at the end of "The Star Gazer", Q's outfit does look very much in line with the clothes Seven, Picard and Raffi are wearing in the alternate timeline. Lots of black, asymmetric lapels, and high collars.

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  14. Andru

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    Well I think the only reason Q appeared younger was to rub salt in the wound, he likely was very aware of Picard's actual age and appearance!
     
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  15. Vale

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    Exactly. How else would he have known when and where to find him? The Watsonian explanation is it's a rhetorical device to wrongfoot Picard and remind him that everything about Q is perception and illusion; the Doylist explanation is of course that it neatly sidesteps the whole "Q is immortal and shouldn't age" thing, and rather slickly too in my opinion.
     
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  16. Guy Gardener

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    Has Q not noticed PIcard is a Synth, doesn't care that Picard is a Synth, or is he pretending it doesn't matter?

    If Q regards this "thing" as Picard, then so are all the copies of Picard's personality used as Drivers in the Borg Collective, since he was copied into their hive mind in the 60s.
     
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  17. Noname Given

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    He also lied on his admission forms (IE - He'd have been recorded as part Vulcan.)
     
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  18. thribs

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    I wish they kept Q a surprise. I know they needed something to get people interested in season 2 but showing us the ships and the Starfleet stuff would have been enough
     
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  19. Captain Kris Kringle Pike

    Captain Kris Kringle Pike Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    John de Lancie was known probably the earliest. No way they would have kept it a secret.
     
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  20. thribs

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    I feel like they could if they tried. Just go all Disney with it.