Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 2, 2022.

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  1. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

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    The Balance of Terror: Let's hang around in the captain's cabin and discuss life choices in the midst of phaser drills and hunting an alien warships that's fragged several of our outposts and the galaxy teeters on the edge of an interstellar conflict on a scale not seen in the last century.
     
  2. cooleddie74

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    Face it: Trek is a lot of talking. It always has been, it probably always will be and always should be.
     
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  3. Unicron

    Unicron Boss Monster Mod Moderator

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    And it's not always bad, if the script is properly balanced. "Yesterday's Enterprise" spends a good chunk of the episode establishing elements of the time change, before we get to the cool battle. :D "Amok Time" is much the same way.
     
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  4. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Commodore Commodore

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    So it seems that i was right about Ten Forward :whistle:
     
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  5. Cyrus

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    Now that Discovery season is over I am turning my attention to Picard. Finally saw this. I loved the first seaon and season 2 is off to a fantastic start. It was a terrific episode.
     
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  6. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Unfortunately so far every single episode past the premier is a little worse than the one before.
     
  7. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    By that metric, it's going to be six hundred episodes before Picard gets "Discovery Season 4" bad.
     
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    Timofnine Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero Premium Member

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    It’s the opposite for me! I’m seeing an upwards trend! Each one is just that little bit more special in my humble opinion! I’m expecting Best Of Both Worlds quality production, acting and script writing by the end of the season!
     
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  9. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Admiral

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    This is the first time for CBS live action fare that I'm more interested in the story than I was at the beginning.
     
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  10. Brainsucker

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    Oh NO, Picard, why you betray dr. Crusher? I hope that Picard will continue his love story with the good doctor, but now he just flirt with another woman. My hope for their continuation has been crushed. T_T
     
  11. Llywela

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    Picard and Crusher were never in a romantic relationship, so there is no betrayal involved in him flirting with the idea of romance with someone else all these years later. They were attracted to one another, sure, and enjoyed a close friendship, but never took it any further than that (except in the aborted future timeline of All Good Things, in which they married but ended up divorced). I know a lot of people were very invested in the idea of them making it work after TNG ended, but it isn't a betrayal of their TNG relationship to learn that they never did get together, in the end. In fact, never quite going there after all is more in keeping with their TNG relationship, in which they toyed with the idea but always held back. With that kind of not-quite relationship, eventually you just have to admit that the moment has passed and move on.
     
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  12. Unimatrix Q

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    Although i always having being a fan of the doc and would be enjoying Crusher and Picard finally getting together, i would like to see Laris and Jean Luc getting together far more.

    I like Laris far more and think she's way more interesting than Beverly. A relationship between the two of them would be way more fascinating to watch than Crusher/Picard imho.

    And we already had Jean Luc and Beverly together and even married in the Novelverse.
     
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  13. MrPicard

    MrPicard Jean-Luc's Loving Husband Fleet Captain

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    Wait until the real love story of this season is revealed: Picard and Q. ;)

    It does make sense: Q is dying and suffering from some VERY concering aging effects (notice how he pulls back in shock when a very concerned Jean-Luc tells him "Q... you are NOT well" in a very soft voice) because he has been in love with a mortal being for way too long by Q standards, and he never told Jean-Luc and has only a limited time left to do so, and it's affecting his omnipotence. Hence, in true Q fashion, he now thinks of an entire elaborate deflecting scenario in which all he really does is trying to get Jean-Luc to realize that the real reason why he has never settled down with anyone is because he's in love with Q and he FINALLY has to face his feelings for him. Once Jean-Luc finally confesses his feelings to Q (after having been made jump through every possible hoop available, naturally), Q confesses his feelings to Jean-Luc, they kiss, timeline is restored, time was healed by love, just as the producers have said it will be.

    Why didn't they let ME write this show? :shifty:;)
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Picard probably never did because of All Good Things.
     
  15. Sci

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    Hard to betray a woman he was never in a relationship and whom we don't even know if he's canonically seen in almost twenty years.
     
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    Finally caught the clip of the french (?) song just before the Stargazer explodes near the end of this episode. Q makes a phonograph play it in the next episode. A neat bit of foreshadowing you recognize in hindsight.
     
  17. Brainsucker

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    I wonder if the Excelsior that we see in this episode is still the same as the Excelsior in Original Star Trek Movies or a new version of it. Because the shape looks familiar to each others. But I'm not a Star Trek ship expert, so maybe someone can explain this.
     
  18. jackoverfull

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    It’s a new ship of “Excelsior II” class, as explained behind the scenes. Which is kind of a pity: it really looked like the old Excelsior and I really liked the idea of her still being in service more than a century later.
     
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  19. jackoverfull

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    I was just reading the comic Hive, from some ten years ago, and I was surprised by the elements in common with this episode, with the odd borg saying “we come in peace” and the queen taking over a Starfleet fleet with tentacles going into computers. Since Terry Matalas was involved with Hive I doubt it’s a coincidence, I’m surprised no one seems to have noticed it.
     
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  20. hbquikcomjamesl

    hbquikcomjamesl Commodore Commodore

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    I thought it was quite good (But definitely not Swedish). I'm not partial to Borg episodes in general, but I do like Q episodes.

    And I like the fact that this isn't starting out in the aftermath of a whole series of mutually compounding disasters.

    Not canonically, but such a relationship (and marriage, and a child) is featured rather prominently in the Novelverse (but only in the "First Splinter" timeline).
     
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