Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 25, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - I'm sending the writers orchids!

    32.8%
  2. 9

    26.3%
  3. 8

    15.7%
  4. 7

    7.8%
  5. 6

    5.5%
  6. 5

    2.0%
  7. 4

    3.8%
  8. 3

    2.7%
  9. 2

    1.4%
  10. 1 - Crash and burn!

    2.0%
  1. Roboturner913

    Roboturner913 Commander Red Shirt

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    So is that supposed to be two different types of ship then? Obviously they have different nacelles but it's hard to tell if the rest of them are the same.

    I don't mind it either way; it never made sense to me that Starfleet would have so many different types of ships.
     
  2. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Out of all the comments, this one frightens me the most.

    Star Trek doesn't have a "cool"- or "it"-factor, and it's definitely hit-and-miss on the character drama stuff. "Being made for over-thinkers" is literally what one of Star Trek's uniqe selling point was. There's a reason so many scientists and engineers were big into Trek.
     
  3. Roald

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    Oh. My. God. This was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in the decades I've been a Star Trek fan... I now realise this whole season wasn't really about an Admonition, about Synths, about Romulans or a Borg Artifact… It was all about Picard and Data getting the opportunity to say goodbye… It started with Blue Skies, and ended with it... It was perfect... Seeing the journey of a beaten, sorrow, sick man regaining his passion was heart-warmingly awesome… Thank you cast and crew for putting together another brilliant chapter of the Star Trek Legacy. A solid 10 for me!
     
  4. Gov Kodos

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    Kirk kicking ass and getting space girls?
     
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  5. Gepard

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    If that. I'm still not sure what the show wants us to think of Picard. If the writers wanted us to think he was in some way out of touch, it would have helped to contrast him with some other character(s) who was in touch. Instead what we got were a ragtag crew of misfits who all agree with him, some one-scene-wonder assholes, and moustache-twirling villains.
     
  6. mswood

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    Absolutely loved the character beats, but hated the “magical device”, and really really dislike seeing fleets of the same style of ships. The last is mere window dressing. Also disliked Oh scenes, and Riker seemed way over the top, not like someone leading a fleet of ships into combat.

    Seriously Oh, just fire already.

    The ending little montage of interactions on the ship seemed really out of nowhere. Unless some time has passed, it seems rather odd for the kiss. She sought solace from the murder she committed and visions of the future with Rios. Why now? Certainly I would think he would have some minor reservations after her actions and now knowing her mental state. Then Seven and Raffi, seems rather quick for two characters we haven’t seen interact much. And if either are trying just to have a bit of escapism their interaction seemed a little to playful for how I see these two handle issues.

    I do want to see Narek again, if it makes sense as I do like the actor.

    But overall disliked about 8 minutes and enjoyed to loved the rest.

    8.5 in my book.

    I do think the episode still had sections (the part I disliked) that seemed rushed. Yet other parts of the episode are giving so much time to breathe, it makes it feel a bit disjointed.
     
  7. Roboturner913

    Roboturner913 Commander Red Shirt

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    The only real plot hole for me is, if Soong was capable of creating a new body then how come he didn't make one for Data. Or if he had to give that body to Picard, he could've been like, Yo Data, let's hold off on the assisted suicide stuff for a little while so I can make you a new body too.

    But I get the emotional part of it and it makes me really happy that they got to say goodbye.
     
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  8. DaveyNY

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    I didn't tell that poster how to react at all.

    I was asking why they were being so analytical about something that is obviously very emotional and commented about how thinking that way a lot must make for a dismal outlook on life.

    And yes, some Trek episodes are great in that they can be analytically explored, but most of the really good ones played heavily on the viewers emotions.

    PICARD really isn't that kind of show, nor is this episode in particular.
    This is a very emotions based story.
     
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  9. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Technically, yes. But the manipulations should be invisible. If you the viewer notice the strings being pulled, something has gone wrong.
     
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  10. Roboturner913

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    Why does it need to have a "function"? Why can't it just be a setting, like Earth or the android planet, or the interior of La Sirena. It's a place where some shit happened, that's all it ever needed to be.
     
  11. SolarisOne

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    You're obviously not Jean-Luc Picard.
     
  12. Tarek71

    Tarek71 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    "I didnt tell them how to react, I just decided that anyone who doesnt see this as I do (I, DaveyNY being the Gold Standard for normal, enjoyable human reactions to things) must have a dismal outlook on life."

    I think it is better to leave out the psychoanalysis or life commentary regarding fellow posters, DaveyNY. It's almost certainly wrong and highly likely to be resented.
     
  13. Roboturner913

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    The matchy-matchy uniforms at the end were odd to me. It's almost like there was supposed to be a scene explaining what they were going to be up to next and that they were going out as a crew on missions together, but it got cut or something.
     
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  14. DaveyNY

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    Mainly because Data told Jean-Luc that he didn't desire a new body.
    He desired to be mortal and end his life the way he chose... By saving Jean-Luc's.
     
  15. cooleddie74

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    I hope Picard got a good burial on that world. First he buries James T. Kirk, then another impulsive ship captain helps to bury him.
     
  16. Maurice

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    Because they raised all this stuff about the xBs and harvesting them for parts and then just crashed the Cube for no reason and then walked away from it. Why even have it follow them? There were lots of potential thematic crossovers with the synths and yet they did nothing with it.

    No, you were telling them how to watch it.
     
  17. Roboturner913

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    He said he didn't want to keep on floating around in quantum robot heaven or whatever that was. He wasn't presented the option of going out and living in the physical world again. I can't imagine that he would have turned that down.
     
  18. DaveyNY

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    I think if that were something he desired he probably would have inquired about it though.

    He knew that Jean-Luc was going back.
     
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  19. SolarisOne

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    That's not what Data wanted.
     
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  20. Gov Kodos

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    Without enough Borg crew the thing might be little more than a hulk in space. if Seven wanted to plug in and get a full regeneration/assimilation process going it might be flyable but then do the Borg come back full force when they detect one of their Cubes running about or does she become the near defacto superpower of the quadrant? The situation they dropped in on in #9 was probably akin to Kirk's Enterprise in Trek III, mostly automated and not up to real combat or defense because I doubt those orchids could really bother a fully active Borg Cube.