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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

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I wish Kurtzman would "Stop It". But apparently he won't. Tell him to stop Mary Sue-ing and I will agree to stop accurately pointing it out.

This "Mary Sue" business is absurd. Every hero is a Mary Sue because that's who any given show is about.

Harry Potter: Mary Sue
Frodo: Mary Sue
Kirk: Mary Sue
Dantes: Mary Sue (and a brilliant in story reference to this btw)
Sherlock Holmes: Mary Sue

You might not like the Mary Sue cliche, but it's as old as Agamemnon.
 
It's been made clear that Picard was the man who Spearheaded the operation and got Starfleet command on board. That is demonstrable leadership. It was not it seemed Federation policy to save the Romulans. That was all Picard, as far as we've been told. So whether or not he made Federation policy, he certain got what he wanted and as far as we've been told, was made the leader of the rescue mission.

As far as we've been told, after the attack occurred, he failed to sway Starfleet to keep on the goal as they agreed. This is called managing upwards, and yes it is a form of leadership and in this he failed.

We have no indication that he was willing to accept a reduced rescue mission which might have still saved many millions, and his statements in the show suggest that he was only willing to accept the full rescue as he felt the Federation was obligated to commit to or nothing. And as of ep. 4, he appears to recognize this as a tragic mistake on his part, not to mention his 15 years doing nothing to help those he promised to champion. These are multiple failures on his part, which he now readily acknowledges.
After the attack its likely that there is nothing he could say to keep the plan on track.

He even states that before the attack half of Starfleets top brass didn't want to help the Romulans in the first place, all they needed was leverage against those who did, the attack on Mars gave them that and it was all over.

He had a crisis of faith, he no longer believed in Starfleet and its mission, it showed that Starfleet was all talk and no trousers and Picard just couldnt deal with it.

Nervous Breakdown in all but name.
 
My only problem with this otherwise good episode?

Jeri Ryan's name was in the opening credits when she was the suprise last minute appearance at the end of the episode (a lot of shows will deliberately not put X actor in opening credits in this situation to avoid spoilng the 'surprise').

The other one I remember they did this and spoilt the suprise was Angel 4×21 'Peace Out' when TPTB put Stepanie Romanov in the guest stars section of the opening credits (thus learning Lilah would be returning even though she was killed off a number of episodes prior). All the more annoying as they did it 'right' by avoiding the spoil of the return of Darla in 1×22 'To Shanshu in L.A.' by placing Julie Benz' name only in the closing credits.

Rant over... lol ;)
Speaking of Angel, they also spoiled Spike’s introduction in the premiere of season 5 by having the credits show him.
 
I always love it when Star Trek does this. This Firefly-style, lived-in Space Western atmosphere works perfectly with frontier planets, be they Federation, Romulan, or any other colonies. It creates a beautiful contrast with the cosmopolitan, 'civilized' core of the Federation for me.
That's excactly it!:)
 
Rios and his countless very different Holograms are fantastic. Nice to see Seven of Nine at the end.
Liked the Starship/Planet story line this week, with the Romulan refugees, warrior race and Picards child friend turned lethal grown up.
Was so bored with the Borg/Romulan/Daj storyline that I fast forwarded all those scenes and just read a recap instead.
Looking forward to costume party / cosplay in Space Vegas next week.
 
I don't like the new warp effect.

I'd have liked the outside view to have been like the Star Trek Beyond one.
 
I say with relief that this episode did not give us another drop in quality, and in fact held a few interesting plot developments and possibly even some thematic developments.

We are treated to another flashback to the time of the Romulan Diaspora (and presumably this will a component of every chapter), this time set in a warrior nunnery on a refugee world where Picard has bonded with both the nuns and an orphan boy. It will turn out that after he left Starfleet, Picard never returned to these people, hurting them all, especially the boy, with his abandonment. It becomes clear now, if it wasn't before, that his departure from Starfleet broke Picard to the core and he has spent the last fifteen years in a morbid depression, retreating from the world. He abandoned Starfleet, abandoned the Romulans, abandoned Raffi, abandoned the nuns and Sword Boy, and very likely others. But these things are just really worldly manifestations of the true betrayal-- he abandoned his principles. So here we have a show where Starfleet and the Federation, like our real society, have traded in their liberal values for base meanness and Picard has similarly lost his principles to hopelessness. With his comment about the perfect being the enemy of the good, he is referencing the intolerance and fundamentalism of the contemporary world-- and when he tells Raffi that he may never pass this way again, he tells us that the clock is ticking to make things right.

The character work in this episode is definitely a step up. Rios, with his multiple holographic avatars, is much more a Trek character now than the cigar-chomping, central-casting ruffian of his debut. Raffi is also more appealing without her trappings of Millennialism and self pity. Agnes was written as almost a completely different character, but I suppose this is the first time we've really seen her off the clock-- the only other time she was seen outside her lab was having just had a near-death experience. Unfortunately the new addition to the crew, with his devotional life and ninja sword, seems more suited to AD&D than Trek, but perhaps he will develop as well.

Picard is a man awakening from a coma and coming to terms with regrets, but who has not quite yet learned anything. He berates himself for his abandonment of Raffi and Sword Boy, but has done nothing to make amends or shown any hint that he intends to. Instead he is focused on a quest for the children of his dead comrade. And with his newfound purpose comes a self-righteousness that is almost a parody of the old Picard. His tearing down of the Romulans Only sign was a rookie error from a man once known for his diplomacy, and especially hypocritical from someone who showed no moral objection to a gender-exclusive warrior guild. Another metaphor for the Millennial Age?

And then we have the return of an old favorite character, and this time it's not a dream. Apparently a member of the Fenris Rangers (an odd name-- I wonder if the wolf reference is supposed to be a link to Romulus and Remus, but it comes from a completely different mythology), Seven of Nine saves Picard's ass at the last nanosecond, at the cost of her own off-the-grid ship, and then collapses to the deck after a sassy beam in. Best cliffhanger yet. :rommie:
 
Fenris Rangers (an odd name-- I wonder if the wolf reference is supposed to be a link to Romulus and Remus, but it comes from a completely different mythology)
You know, I had that thought too. The wolf reference is too obvious to not link them together, but then I remembered that Seven, Annika Hansen, has a Scandinavian background and I began to wonder if the rangers are just her little private elite force that has nothing to do with Romulans (other than protecting the planet)
 
Stop it.



I kind of doubt that. I'd need to see an example and in the circumstance need to know some behind-the-scenes information on it or, maybe, where the show was made.

The Screen Actors Guild pretty much demands that an actor's name appears somewhere in the credits, they cannot just be left out because "spoilers." There's even terms on how/where they have to appear. For someone like Jeri Ryan she's probably a "big" enough star, or at least has the clout with this franchise, to demand her name appear with the rest of the cast's credits and not be lumped in with all of the other "guest stars" that appeared in the episode (like the Romulan Senator, the little boy, the Romulan nun, etc. They're small enough roles they'd be in end credits somewhere) especially if her role is big enough she's going to be around for several episodes.

I think you're misunderstanding my post. No harm, no foul though

Julie Benz, the example I gave before, her named appeared in the end credits after the big reveal.

Its not particularly uncommon in tv shows when the revelation of a guest actor's apperance (especially if that appearance happens towards towards the end of an episode) would cause major plot spoilers by having their name appear in the guest star list at the beginning of the show, would simply be first to appear when the screen fades to black at the end ie 'Special Guest Appearance by Julie Benz' siting the example I gave earlier.

No SAG requirements breached there.

I know there is a TVTrope page with a listing of such examples, though I can only think of an example Dawson's Creek at the moment, when Pacey's hot teacher unexpectedly returns . lol

Clearly there was either some contract with Jeri Ryan there, or the producers not caring enough for the suprise (which frankly I wouldn't be suprised about if that was the case).
 
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My guess is that it was a contractual decision that lead to Jeri's name in the opening credits. She or more likely her agent may have negotiated for main cast billing as opposed for guest star billing

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That's certainly true.

But its still a shame they couldn't do a surprise reveal ala Denise Crosby in 'Redemption Part 1'
 
I wish Kurtzman would "Stop It". But apparently he won't. Tell him to stop Mary Sue-ing and I will agree to stop accurately pointing it out.
Kurtzman IS NOT WRITING THIS SHOW.

Please get the Hell off that boat, it capsized a long time ago and you're just floundering in murky water.

Every time you post this you completely destroy any good will that folks might have had for your reasoning.
:rolleyes:
 
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I can deny Q's motives being to help an evolving race. Mostly he seems to be looking to be entertained, offer up some insults and ask for help on occasion. Help at best has always been a secondary concern of Q's. As for Tapestry, IMO, he was likely never even there.
I don't buy any of that. The Q have had a major preoccupation with humans quite a lot, & especially Q himself. There's no reason to put humanity on "trial", or subject them to tests, except to determine their potential. The Amanda Rogers situation is way more involved than just Q wanting to be entertained.

Even Picard himself, in a way, recognizes that Q is actually helpful at the end of Q-Who, albeit devoid of compassion. There is no doubt in my mind that Q sees himself as a overseer of humanity. The other Q in Deja-Q even echoes that notion, & the very likely reason is sussed out by Picard in Hide & Q, that humanity has the potential to become godlike, or Q-like.

That he's not around for this, really sets an even grimmer tone about the state of humanity, the UFP & even Picard himself
 
Kurtzman IS NOT WRITING THIS SHOW.

Please get the Hell off that boat, it capsized a long time ago and you're just floundering in murky water.

Every time you post this you completely destroy any good will that folks might have had for your reasoning.
:rolleyes:
Yup, and the one episode Kurtzman was involved with, the first, he was one of five contributors. Hardly worth mentioning, especially since the actual script of the episode was by Goldsman and Duff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Picard#Episodes

Opinions based on false premises and incorrect facts are worthless.
 
Not the "Fandom", just a minority of loudly vocal dissenters.
Many of whom can't even get it right about who they are dissenting against.
believe me, I know it's not the majority.
Also, believe me, it's not the worst fandom out there.
Take a look at the big message boards for Doctor Who for instance. 50% of the participants on those boards just post to tell how the show has lost it's way and isn't as good as it was since circa November 1963
 
I don't buy any of that. The Q have had a major preoccupation with humans quite a lot, & especially Q himself. There's no reason to put humanity on "trial", or subject them to tests, except to determine their potential. The Amanda Rogers situation is way more involved than just Q wanting to be entertained.

Even Picard himself, in a way, recognizes that Q is actually helpful at the end of Q-Who, albeit devoid of compassion. There is no doubt in my mind that Q sees himself as a overseer of humanity. The other Q in Deja-Q even echoes that notion, & the very likely reason is sussed out by Picard in Hide & Q, that humanity has the potential to become godlike, or Q-like.

That he's not around for this, really sets an even grimmer tone about the state of humanity, the UFP & even Picard himself
Not "The Q" as a whole .... Just that one specific "Q", who often got in trouble for doing so.
And it was specifically Jean-Luc that was the sole focus, not Humanity.
Our "Q" just used Humanity as an excuse to continually be in Picard's face.
 
Not "The Q" as a whole .... Just that one specific "Q", who often got in trouble for doing so.
And it was specifically Jean-Luc that was the sole focus not Humanity.
Our "Q" just used Humanity as an excuse to continually be in Picard's face.
Just because when he tried the same with Sisko, Sisko rightfully punched him in his face
 
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