Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

[Yistaan]

Is she though?

Well Raffi surely would have done an internet search on her by now and said something if she weren't.

 

[SolarisOne]

I did a TOS rewatch about six months ago and frankly a lot of it seemed cringeworthy.

Which is exactly why I avoid it. Cringing too much gives me a headache.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well Raffi surely would have done an internet search on her by now and said something if she weren't.

If the plot demands it

 

[Lord Garth]

"Absolute Candor"

Reminds me of something. An exchange in "Encounter At Farpoint".

Riker: "Permission to speak candidly?"
Picard: "Always."

 

[The Old Mixer]

"Smile! You're on Absolute Candor!"

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk never did an adequate Internet search on Spock or else he'd have known about Sybok. #GoogleThatBro

 

[Yistaan]

Kirk never did an adequate Internet search on Spock or else he'd have known about Sybok. #GoogleThatBro

Not knowing about Sybok is understandable. Not knowing about Sarek isn't really

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess McCoy was right about him being as tight-lipped as an Aldebaran shellmouth. That man can keep secrets until he no longer can.

 

[Yistaan]

I guess McCoy was right about him being as tight-lipped as an Aldebaran shellmouth. That man can keep secrets until he no longer can.

I wouldn't be surprised if spock, sybok, and or sarek himself edited sareks Wikipedia article to remove any mention of relation

 

[Gov Kodos]

I guess McCoy was right about him being as tight-lipped as an Aldebaran shellmouth. That man can keep secrets until he no longer can.

Also, the service files aren't going to follow the parents. Sarek may be as common a name as Jim on Vulcan. Also, we don't know Sarek's job on those records apart from Diplomat so Kirk may well not have put the two together. Of course, a Vulcan ambassador with a human wife might have been a hint.

 

[picardjean-luc]

I wouldn't be surprised if spock, sybok, and or sarek himself edited sareks Wikipedia article to remove any mention of relation

Don't forget Burnham. None would have named her as the culprit as her Starfleet records have been expunged.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Vash ("Captain's Holiday"), Kamala (implied in "The Perfect Mate"), Marta (at least in the Q version of "Tapestry"), Darren ("Lessons"). Then there's his past. Jenice ("We'll Always Have Paris"), Vigo ("Bloodlines"), and it looks like there were sparks flying with Louvois ("The Measure of a Man").

Looks like he averaged one, past or present, per season.

Poor Beverly. Never got her moment with Picard despite knowing him for nearly five decades .

 

[Maurice]

It's better than the alternative interpretation: Tierra del Supermassive Black Hole.

Selma in the reference in question was a hole enough thank very much.

 

[zenophite]

Mystery boxes, sex and cursing are part of the human condition and have always been and also have always been part of Star Trek storytelling. The fact that you can't see beyond the mystery the characters are chasing, the sex some of them are having or the curses they say from time to time to recognize what more is going on in the season long arcs of modern Trek says a lot about you as a viewer. More so, the fact that you willingly look past the continous crude sexual references, amoral hijinx and other juvenile storytelling that permiates The Orville, and that the series it is entirely wrapped around a failed sexual relationship, in your claim it exists on a higher storytelling plane than modern Trek, strongly suggests that you could look deeper into Disco and Picard if you wanted to.

You presume and concluded quite a bit based on very little - most of it wrong. It does no great service to you that it is wrapped in a condescending tone, perhaps intentionally meant to agitate. This is the nature of the angry fanboy critic who instantly runs to the "you just don't get it, dummy" school of responses to those who happen to have a different take on whatever it is. So be it.

I am neither particularly against or for mystery boxes, sex and profanity in Trek or any other program but I prefer it's use to feel natural or organic to the story as a whole. It's use on Kurtzman's Trek shows is a mixed bag sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. My opinion of the Dahj/Soji destroyer of worlds mystery box is rather negative because that part of the story just hasn't really engaged me personally. Sex on these shows has been rather muted - my main thing is the incestuous innuendos between the Romulan brother/sister which I find to be rather too Game of Thrones-ish for my taste.

My mentioned affinity for the Orville is due to their emphasis on compact self contained stories with a very loose arc (if one can even call it an arc). Moreover they have had some good examples of using allegorical situations to reflect on issues.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It does no great service to you that it is wrapped in a condescending tone, perhaps intentionally meant to agitate. This is the nature of the angry fanboy critic

The post, not the poster.

 

[fireproof78]

My mentioned affinity for the Orville is due to their emphasis on compact self contained stories with a very loose arc (if one can even call it an arc). Moreover they have had some good examples of using allegorical situations to reflect on issues.

Something Trek has not done well in a long time. I think Trek 09 and Into Darkness were the closest, but even DSC has struggled with that. So, holding up Trek as this definitive allegorical powerhouse is difficult to parse, at best.

Orville has done well with its allegories, but that's few and far between rather than the norm.

 

[Noname Given]

It's an oversight of the writers. They thought it would sound endearing if the Federation's most knowledgeable cybernetics expert was stuck on Earth because of the Synth ban and the withdrawal of resources. Problem is Trek has already proven over the decades that science experts don't just stay on Earth all the time because, well, there's a Federation and there are such things as warp drive and other species who hear about your work.

Hey, she just happened to be there when Picard showed up...Her Shuttle flight to the Klingon A.I. symposiums didn't leave until the following Tuesday...
^^^
Yeah, that's it...

 

[cooleddie74]

[*GLARES IN HARRIMAN*]

 

[zenophite]

Something Trek has not done well in a long time. I think Trek 09 and Into Darkness were the closest, but even DSC has struggled with that. So, holding up Trek as this definitive allegorical powerhouse is difficult to parse, at best.

Orville has done well with its allegories, but that's few and far between rather than the norm.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to make the claim that the Orville does it well as a rule - only that it does, as you say, do it well from time to time. By contrast ST: Discovery hasn't really done it at all - at least nothing that stands out to me.

 

[fireproof78]

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to make the claim that the Orville does it well as a rule - only that it does, as you say, do it well from time to time. By contrast ST: Discovery hasn't really done it at all - at least nothing that stands out to me.

DSC and other Treks are largely internal dealings, rather than larger allegories. How the characters deal with trauma, and war, and pain is all a part of representing both the positive and negative aspects of humans.

For me, as much as I love a good allegory, I have moved in to a place where the characters mean a lot more to me. Kirk in Abrams Trek is probably the one I find the most interesting because of his struggle to find himself in the shadow of his dad and needing that mentor. Burnham struggles from being on the outside in so many different places, from Vulcan to Starfleet and really having to struggle with learning things are not as they seem.

So, less allegorical and far more character introspective. Which, I prefer. Mileage definitely varies.