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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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Scanning through the past few pages, it really seems like I'm in the minority re: E03. I thoroughly enjoyed it and have called it The Necessary Transition Episode between the SOL III based action and what's to come out in space and in FREECLOUD and elsewhere. Also - seems like a few other Bowie/Picard crossover fans remember "The Wild Eyed Boy from FREECLOUD" too!

Point of order in case it wasn't made already: the EMH and the ENH were different beings with different accents (British v. Irish). Thank goodness for Closed Captioning!
 
I re-watched THE MEASURE OF A MAN just to familiarize myself with Bruce Maddox. I would recommend this to others since it really gives us a flavor for who he was (is?). I hadn't seen the episode in years.
 
As a newbie (CADET now ENSIGN) I am surprised that completely political stuff is allowed on the board. My preference would be to see ZERO posts about USA politics here and to instead see a focus on things like Starfleet-Romulan politics. But what do I know... I'm just an Ensign.
 
"Pro tip?" :rommie:

Well, after a strong start, Picard has given us a second week of decline. Hopefully now that the three-part pilot is over (if this was true), we'll start to see some more interesting developments and course corrections. This initial quest for Freecloud seems a little intriguing, anyway.

But our two new supporting characters are a little painful. Somebody needs to remind the creators that they are writing in the Star Trek universe. How can somebody in the 24th century, a former Starfleet officer, end up living in a trailer, drinking and vaping and snarking Millennial slang? And complaining about Picard's nice house. Are we going to be subjected to Picard accused of being a one-percenter? :rommie: Unless this turns out to be some form of extended self abuse-- it was implied that Starfleet discharged Raffi for being Picard's XO, but I'll bet she was offered the Enterprise and also resigned. At least that would salvage this scenario somewhat.

And then we have Han Solo Junior. Once again, in an allegedly moneyless society, we have someone who will do anything for the right paycheck. Perhaps a little more justifiable in his case, since he probably operates on the fringes of space society where you still need to pay your way, but seriously-- a cigar-smoking rogue? Can't Trek do better than that? I did get a kick out of his multiple emergency holograms, though. I wonder if his Emergency Intercourse Hologram also looks just like himself.

So, if we keep in mind that the cyberneticist also has a grudge against Starfleet or the Federation, this is apparently going to be the League of Disgruntled Employees. I didn't really want to see Starfleet and the Federation portrayed as the bad guys in this series, but I found that the scenario does really speak to me, since I've been watching the younger generations abandon the liberalism of my youth for at least the past quarter century, but I really hope that we get to see some Star Trek again real soon.

It certainly wasn't all painful and inappropriate cliches, though. I'm not sure if the contemporary trope of preluding the main story with a backstory-filling flashback is something I want in a Trek series, but my favorite part of the episode was definitely the glimpse back to Picard's last day in Starfleet. They did a nice job of suggesting, in just a couple of minutes screentime, that he and Raffi had an easy camaraderie and close relationship similar to he and Riker. Her use of the nickname "JL" also gave it a unique touch that made her different than his other close companions like Beverly and Riker (though I was disappointed not to hear him call her Number One). Those few moments were so sweet that I immediately wanted to see this current series replaced with one about Picard and Raffi on Enterprise with a new crew.

The uniforms were also notable. They were a nice evolution of the later uniforms from DS9 and Voyager and had a proper Trek feel to them. I do prefer the more colorful uniforms over the primarily black jumpsuits, but at least those horrible gray pleated things from the horribly gray movies were nowhere to be seen.

And I continue to love the Romulan caretakers. I envision one of two futures for them: Either they turn out to be moles of the Jack Flash or they will catch up with Picard out there in the universe just in time to save his ass.

But now I'm leaning more toward the cyberneticist being our token mole character, despite her being the most interesting of Picard's rag-tag, off-the-grid crew. I think she was speakng the truth when she said that she didn't tell Commodore Oh that she was going with Picard-- because I'm pretty sure that Commodore Oh ordered her to go with Picard. I'm not happy with the idea of high-ranking foreign agents in Starfleet, but, oddly enough, I do hope we see a lot more of Commodore Oh.

And it looks like Picard's new canine Number One won't be going with him on his latest space adventure. This is a shame, because I was hoping for a scene where, confronted with an enemy Romulan or something, Picard points and shouts, "Number One, engage!" and the formerly laid-back puppy goes for the throat. :rommie:

Ah, well, on to Freecloud and Maddox. Hopefully they will do better.
tl;dr
is there a one paragraph version of this, so I can follow the discussion
 
Once again, in an allegedly moneyless society,

Star Trek hasn't been a moneyless society for a long time. Remember that time Sisko bought some land? And yes it was on Bajor, but Sisko doesn't get paid by Bajor, so he would have had to have used Federation credits to buy it. The again his son had to borrow money from Nog to buy a baseball card...

In short the whole money thing is something we probably shouldn't take too seriously.
 
Star Trek hasn't been a moneyless society for a long time. Remember that time Sisko bought some land? And yes it was on Bajor, but Sisko doesn't get paid by Bajor, so he would have had to have used Federation credits to buy it. The again his son had to borrow money from Nog to buy a baseball card...

In short the whole money thing is something we probably shouldn't take too seriously.
I suspect UFP's money system is some kind of meritocratic concept that some writers didn't necessarily follow
 
As a newbie (CADET now ENSIGN) I am surprised that completely political stuff is allowed on the board. My preference would be to see ZERO posts about USA politics here and to instead see a focus on things like Starfleet-Romulan politics. But what do I know... I'm just an Ensign.

They’ve been warned and directed where to go or did you miss that? Doesn’t help to keep referencing it. Let it die.
 
Or they have some future version of universal income. All Federation citizens get a certain amount a week and can earn more if they have a job. Maybe that is why everyone wants to be a Starship Captain because of the $$$$
those two concepts are not exclusive.
 
Or they have some future version of universal income. All Federation citizens get a certain amount a week and can earn more if they have a job. Maybe that is why everyone wants to be a Starship Captain because of the $$$$
I guess with the vast amount of resources the Federation has on its hand, the government can easily afford to provide most amenities to its citizens. Especially when most of those amenities is probably just whatever indiscriminate matter they're pumping into replicators as raw material. Other than that, it's probably the good old Federation credits. Some sort of hybrid economy with an expansive, interstellar-scale welfare state.

I'd think most people can and will use public transport free of charge if they want to travel to other worlds, but you'll pay freelancers like Rios or that alien guy from The Search for Spock if you want to fly unnoticed off the books.
 
As a newbie (CADET now ENSIGN) I am surprised that completely political stuff is allowed on the board. My preference would be to see ZERO posts about USA politics here and to instead see a focus on things like Starfleet-Romulan politics. But what do I know... I'm just an Ensign.

Well, on the one hand, I can understand your position. SciFi (and Fantasy) universes allow us to forget the reality for a while, they allow us a bit of escapism. But on the other hand, especially the SciFi genre, always can be seen as an allegory, a comment to the reality. Sometimes, sci fi storys are about 'general ideas' like all the utopian novels or tolerance (like ST), and sometimes, the parallels are a bit more specific, like in 'The Undiscovered Country' (keyword: Soviet union). So, as long as it is a part of the interpretation or analysis of one moment, episode or show, it is a valid point to talk about this parallels. But of course, sometimes political discussions can become very off-topic and that would be the point, where they should be outscourced into another thread.
 
Star Trek hasn't been a moneyless society for a long time. Remember that time Sisko bought some land? And yes it was on Bajor, but Sisko doesn't get paid by Bajor, so he would have had to have used Federation credits to buy it. The again his son had to borrow money from Nog to buy a baseball card...

In short the whole money thing is something we probably shouldn't take too seriously.
So you use an episode where it was an important plot point that humans do not use money and thus Jake didn't have any as an example of there being money...
 
Somebody needs to remind the creators that they are writing in the Star Trek universe. How can somebody in the 24th century, a former Starfleet officer, end up living in a trailer, drinking and vaping and snarking Millennial slang? And complaining about Picard's nice house. Are we going to be subjected to Picard accused of being a one-percenter? :rommie: Unless this turns out to be some form of extended self abuse-- it was implied that Starfleet discharged Raffi for being Picard's XO, but I'll bet she was offered the Enterprise and also resigned. At least that would salvage this scenario somewhat.

And then we have Han Solo Junior. Once again, in an allegedly moneyless society, we have someone who will do anything for the right paycheck.
Ah, don't tell me you drink the "no money" Kool Aid, too? Probably my favorite thing about this episode is that they blew away some of that fairy dust.

(though I was disappointed not to hear him call her Number One)
"We named the dog Number One!"[/connery]

Those few moments were so sweet that I immediately wanted to see this current series replaced with one about Picard and Raffi on Enterprise with a new crew.
Despite the tie-in comic, this episode didn't show us anything to suggest that she was his first officer on a ship. She came off very much as an aide to a flag officer.

Well that certainly was 740 words...............
tl;dr
is there a one paragraph version of this, so I can follow the discussion
Now...I've slogged through many wall of text posts in this thread that were less well-written.

I think it was pretty clear that the point I was trying to make was that money or the lack thereof has never made any sense in Star Trek
And it's been a while since I've seen them, but I think some of those more overt examples of the "no money" thing in DS9 were the writers making fun of how little sense it made.
 
The discussion between Jake and Nog in "In the Cards(DS9)" about how humans in the 24th century don't use money and live to better themselves is entertaining. The writers of DS9 clearly didn't enjoy or at least wanted to have fun with the idea that the Federation was a moneyless society.
 
Ah, don't tell me you drink the "no money" Kool Aid, too? Probably my favorite thing about this episode is that they blew away some of that fairy dust.
Did it? Raffi's complaints were focused not on money, but private ownership of real estate, something which has not been said to have lost meaning. We do know Picard's vineyard was a family heritage--"JL" did not buy it. Raffi's bitterness reflects how her fallback position did not involve seclusion to an idyllic location where she could pursue pastoral pastimes in seclusion from the slowly decaying social values. The opportunities she had outside of Starfleet were far less attractive. (Her bitterness also reflects Picard's unwillingness to put more at stake for the rescue mission.)

Obviously, the existence of real estate complicates how we would understand equality in a world without money. However, it does not outrightly contradict it.
 
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