Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Feb 4, 2020.

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  1. Bad Thoughts

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    What a terrible thing to say about Robert Picard!
     
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  2. Lord Garth

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    I'm watching The Ready Room Episode 3, and it looks like Musiker did have a drug history that Picard helped pull her out of and she slips back into her old ways afterwards.

    I have another thought too: Picard threatens to leave Starfleet if they don't go along with his rescue plan. Do you know what that reminds me of? And I wouldn't put it passed Michael Chabon to have thought of this too: It reminds me of when Gene Roddenberry threatened to walk away from Star Trek if NBC didn't move it out of the Friday Night @ 10:00 time slot. Then NBC and Starfleet called Gene and Picard's bluff. And they had no choice but to leave.
     
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  3. Iamnotspock

    Iamnotspock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Indeed, her gold non-command-division uniform doesn't suggest First Officer to me.Forgive me if this has been discussed but I couldn't quite see how Picard's resignation results in Raffi's dismissal?
     
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  4. Bad Thoughts

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    Without Picard, there's no rescue mission. Without a rescue mission, Raffi has nothing to do in Starfleet.
     
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  5. 137th Gebirg

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    It’s like they switched places with the Klingons after TOS (and not just with their ships). Romulans were originally the honorable ones, with integrity and depth (“Balance of Terror” and “Enterprise Incident”). Then, somewhere along the way, probably TSFS, the Klingons started becoming fleshed out as a more interesting species, pretty much ignoring the Romulans entirely, and by TNG the transformation was complete.
     
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  6. garakvsneelix

    garakvsneelix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    And what about a new mission for Rafi?
     
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  7. Verteron

    Verteron Lux in tenebris lucet Premium Member

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    So Freecloud is obviously a city on Nimbus III, right? The pun works, anyway.

    The desert settling of the 'Romulans only' township looks very much like the planet of galactic peace.

    Certainly seems like a place some planetless refugees could end up.
     
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  9. Iamnotspock

    Iamnotspock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    By that logic, after the Enterprise-D went down, the crew should have been made redundant from Starfleet.
     
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  10. oberth

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    ****-admirals don't command ships and they don't have first officers. they have chiefs of staff but those ain't lousy lieutenant commanders; they are captains or even commodores. and lt coms ain't fired by the cinc (i can explain that away by 'cinc wants to see me' she actually talks about the cinc's staff)

    sth is definately fishy here
     
  11. Timo

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    This I don't get. There was nothing honorable or deep about Romulans in TOS: they were the ones who always betrayed, snuck around in invisible ships, laid traps, backstabbed each other, lied, bribed and schemed. They were the generic villains who could be expected to do everything, across the full breadth of the villainy spectrum. Typically, they were also faceless.

    Klingons in turn spoke of treaties and traditions and honor. Even if they laid traps, used poison and false distress calls and took hostages, they didn't backstab each other.

    After TOS, the Romulans were more of the same. Klingons in turn evolved into veritable anti-Kirks who had cultural reasons for being evil; the best the Romulans ever did there was having one skipper who fought under the opposite flag but not for the glory of his empire, instead betraying it at every turn.

    Sure, there was fleshing out going on. But no great reversal of roles...

    But no harm done. Romulans being generic villains has not resulted in them being written into a corner. We can "learn their true story" at any point. And apparently that point is now. (And just as apparently, it wasn't when novelists decided the Romulans were the honorable ones and spun an alternate take on them based on that.)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    Still enjoying the show, still have some reservations.

    I don't like Soji as much after two eps as Dahj after one, but at least there's some interesting stuff going on with records about the Romulan ship and her 'Mom' putting her to sleep. Still not feeling the interactions with the Romulan spy.

    Not blown away yet by Picard's new friends. The EMH/ENH were interesting, however, I wonder how many versions of this are on that ship? Also, are they different costumes for one AI or separate individuals... can they all manifest at once?

    I can understand Raffi's jealousy over Picard's estate, but her 'trailer' - which is presumably isolated by choice - doesn't look that small. I'm guessing it's at least as large as my current apartment, and larger than anywhere else I've rented. And she apparently can live there with lots of tech without having to work. So doesn't seem like that bad a deal. Sure, she'd rather be in Starfleet or (second choice) live on an estate... but her remaining option is leisure in a fairly nice spot, not working at StarDonalds.
     
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  13. Bad Thoughts

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    Would she transition? She seemed severely emotionally invested in the Romulan rescue mission.
     
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    Raffi was in a different emotional place than Riker et al, no?
     
  15. oberth

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    i hope his elh (emergency logistics hologram) gets a german accent [​IMG]
     
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  16. BorgTheory

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    I apologize!

    The ONLY political discussion I will have from now on is regarding a bill the Federation is debating that bans Vulcans from wearing sunglasses.

    I hope that is acceptable. :beer:
     
  17. BorgTheory

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    That would be a disaster as it means the ELH would stretch the supply lines far to long without proper protection..

    :angel:
     
  18. oberth

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    that was kinda my point
     
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  19. Bad Thoughts

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    Maybe the emergency therapeutic hologram has a Gallician-German-Jewish accent?
     
  20. BorgTheory

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    Most don’t know their history ;)