Think Enterprise used "previously" for the same reason in seasons 3/4. Surprised DS9 stuck with "Last time."
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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Think Enterprise used "previously" for the same reason in seasons 3/4. Surprised DS9 stuck with "Last time."
FWIW, unless I missed a few posts I had no problem with anything B.L. said. And B.L., there is a lot of criticism on this show, I myself have posted a few, just look around a bit deeper.
That Dahj magically has to have a twin due to technobabble is one of the main ones, as well as the obvious lack of investigation into the synth sabotage.
I think Picard is trying to be more like DS9 and less like TNG, insofar as it's introducing "problems" but attempting to show both sides of the issue.
Like, Picard is 100% right that the Federation betrayed some aspect of its ideals by turning its back on the Romulans. But the admiral has valid points as well. And Picard's personal pride is undoubtedly wrapped up in what happened. The show is not presenting him as a flawless Space Jesus.
Picard is not God and never considered himself one. Leaving one village full of people to their fate, while unfortunate, is natural. Saving their race, moving them to a different planet, having their fate in his hands is as God-like as it can be. This is what Q does, and Picard has always hated about how Q did things. Having him support the relocation of these people (even if for their own good) would be completely against his character.
I'm not in the business of making unsupportable statements. Whenever another crew is encountered in TNG or an officer from outside the Enterprise, we should see how often they measure up to the Enterprise versus not.
Usually there was some sort of problem with the captain or crew. Maxwell was a warhawk uninterested in preserving the peace when the Federation couldn't afford to get into another conflict. The Admiral in "The Wounded" told Picard as much. When Data took command of the Sutherland in "Redemption, Part II", Hobson was bigoted towards him and questioned everything that Data on the basis of him being an Android. Barclay, who initially came from another ship, was thought to not be Enterprise material at first in "Hollow Pursuits". Lieutenant Rocha in "Aquiel" doesn't sound like he was a model officer before he was killed. Then there are the corrupt and crooked Admirals: Jameson, Kennelly, and Pressman.
Jellico and Necheyev are just a Captain and an Admiral who rubbed the Enterprise crew the wrong way, so I won't include them. They simply don't see eye-to-eye with the stars of the show.
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But now he's supporting the relocation of Romulans, because they have warp. He's playing God with Romulans now and people in-universe feel that way, even Admiral Clancy and those offended by his FNN interview.
Same here. This one felt unusually short and cut off.
I'm not an apologist, I simply don't agree. The "excessive" violence doesn't bother me. TNG had peoples heads exploding (once), people being stabbed and impaled, etc. Data snapped a Borgs neck in First Contact.
I'm calling your criticism invalid because it is, you act like this is new and it's not.
He's not playing God, because the Romulans ultimately asked for help. It would only be playing God if he decided what was best for the Romulans without consulting with them.
It kinda makes sense given we know this episode was constructed late in the game from footage meant for Episode 3 and some new footage however.
I don't have problem with another evil or wicked Vulcan. I just want to see some new races and new alien cultures in Star Trek.
Fair enough. I guess pre-warp people don't even have the capacity for help, but ultimately Picard can't be responsible for that. I see how it makes sense, kind of.
Apples and Oranges. Romulans are members of the galactic community and are equals amongst them. I'm sure it's not only Picard that wanted to help them, he was just the face of the movement.
BINGO!
I'm not going to say where, when, and how this was achieved (at least not in public), but we finally have it.
I'm not going to say where, when, and how this was achieved (at least not in public), but we finally have it.
Just a pet peeve of mine:
No, it's never stated in TNG, or TOS, DS9 or VOY or the movies for that matter, that warp drive must precede first contact. Instead, many episodes suggest that once a species acquires warp drive, or is about to, first contact becomes inevitable, and there's no advantage to the UFP holding back when the intrepid warp explorers will run into somebody else anyway.
The first episode ever to actually associate warp drive and first contact with each other in direct dialogue is, amazingly enough, DSC "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", where we finally hear this:
Of course, Starfleet will readily reveal itself to sentient beings who have already been contacted by other space aliens, even if the invention of warp drive is still far in their future. Indeed, Kirk often contacted folks who weren't struggling with inventing the steam engine yet. And indeed Burnham here contacts the locals as fait accomplii.
But TNG has a role to play here, too. In the suddenly awfully relevant "Measure of a Man", he speaks of making contact with the strange alien civilization known as Data! Said civilization probably knows how to build a warp engine, but as far as we can tell, Data has built none...
Timo Saloniemi
No, it's never stated in TNG, or TOS, DS9 or VOY or the movies for that matter, that warp drive must precede first contact. Instead, many episodes suggest that once a species acquires warp drive, or is about to, first contact becomes inevitable, and there's no advantage to the UFP holding back when the intrepid warp explorers will run into somebody else anyway.
The first episode ever to actually associate warp drive and first contact with each other in direct dialogue is, amazingly enough, DSC "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", where we finally hear this:
Of course, Starfleet will readily reveal itself to sentient beings who have already been contacted by other space aliens, even if the invention of warp drive is still far in their future. Indeed, Kirk often contacted folks who weren't struggling with inventing the steam engine yet. And indeed Burnham here contacts the locals as fait accomplii.
But TNG has a role to play here, too. In the suddenly awfully relevant "Measure of a Man", he speaks of making contact with the strange alien civilization known as Data! Said civilization probably knows how to build a warp engine, but as far as we can tell, Data has built none...
Timo Saloniemi
Maybe something more happened between Nemesis and Picard beyond the supernova.
The Romulans were instrumental to the victory over the Dominion, to the point where the Federation was desperate to bring them into the war.
Then at the end of Nemesis Riker was going back to Romulus on diplomatic grounds as they "wanted to talk".
Now suddenly 20 years later you had systems threatening to leave the Federation if they saved the Romulans from destruction?
There's a few inconsistencies here.
The Romulans were instrumental to the victory over the Dominion, to the point where the Federation was desperate to bring them into the war.
Then at the end of Nemesis Riker was going back to Romulus on diplomatic grounds as they "wanted to talk".
Now suddenly 20 years later you had systems threatening to leave the Federation if they saved the Romulans from destruction?
There's a few inconsistencies here.
Oh and don't forget these exchanges between Spock and others regarding Vulcans in general AND his father in particular:
From TOS S1 - "The Squire of Gothos":
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/18.htm
From TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel":
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/44.htm
So yes - if a Vulcan CAN justify a violent or other illegal act logically; they'll have no issues following through with it.
Logical <> Good or always honorable/law abiding.
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