Reading this whole Romulans are Synths and Sonji is pregnant with Narek's baby theory makes me think of Bladerunner 2049; Deckard's & Rachel's daughter.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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An interesting episode and in some ways better than the previous one. We got to know more details about the series' present. Unfortunately there was a problem known from many episodes of TNG. As viewers we are supposed to be on Picard's side in his moral crusade when in fact the truth lies on the other side and Picard comes out as a hypocrite criticizing the behaviour he himself has done many times (here comes out the flaw in the episodic TV episode in which as viewers we should not remember the actions of characters from other episodes). The Admiral was right to treat him like this.
Furthermore, she behaved correctly in informing the SI about the conversation. She couldn't have known like the audience that Starfleet Intelligence is at best useless. :-)
Grade: 8/10
Furthermore, she behaved correctly in informing the SI about the conversation. She couldn't have known like the audience that Starfleet Intelligence is at best useless. :-)
Grade: 8/10
To be fair, the non-Synth redshirts don't seem to have it much better. It's just that they need to eat and sleep, while Synths can (and might prefer to) spend that time simply sitting down together. (Echoes of Asimov's "That Thou Art Mindful of Him?")
Indeed. Or then it's the sort of flash any madman gets in his eyes before starting to shoot... Is that a gun he's using, or an optionally lethal tool?
...But the very same woman, with the upper half of her face white, is seen on the Cube and stepping out of a transporter next to Picard at SF HQ. Another Advanced Synth pair? Or is "they all look alike" not limited to Andorians and Tellarites?
One of them, at any rate.
To be sure, it seems Commodore Oh thinks this is a fine arrangement that doesn't amount to treason. Perhaps rather standard in the intel circles? "We have our agents, and some of theirs, and some of theirs that pretend to be ours, and some of ours that pretend to be theirs. And some of them are double or triple agents on top of that. Plus I think one of them is faking it, and the poor Wurzelnik has forgotten which side he is on. We sorta get along."
Or the Sargonians built the Vulcans, just like they wanted to have android bodies built for themselves.
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I liked this episode but it was definitely a bridge episode and not quite as good as last week so I rate it an 8.
I especially liked the opening on Mars and whatever is happening on the Borg cube. That's a disaster waiting to happen. One thing I didn't like is that this episode just seemed to end randomly (might have been better to be connected to the next episode but of course that would result in a very long episode).
I really like the theory that the Romulans or Vulcans are synthetics. I'm sure if this turns out to be the case there will be a vocal group of haters, but I love things that add to canon and this would be a nice twist.
This is exactly what the Star Trek fan base has been since at least TNG. With Star Trek, you can't please everyone no matter what you do. The gate keeping really annoys me too though.
Actually Toronto has much more TV and movie productions than Vancouver these days.
I especially liked the opening on Mars and whatever is happening on the Borg cube. That's a disaster waiting to happen. One thing I didn't like is that this episode just seemed to end randomly (might have been better to be connected to the next episode but of course that would result in a very long episode).
I really like the theory that the Romulans or Vulcans are synthetics. I'm sure if this turns out to be the case there will be a vocal group of haters, but I love things that add to canon and this would be a nice twist.
This is exactly what the Star Trek fan base has been since at least TNG. With Star Trek, you can't please everyone no matter what you do. The gate keeping really annoys me too though.
Actually Toronto has much more TV and movie productions than Vancouver these days.
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I see a few got Raffi and Rizzo mixed up as well.
Its a new series so its to be expected, everyone knows who they mean so its no big deal.
The only problem with the whole secret synths hiding amongst the Humanoids is that its been done before multiple times, I dont mind going around again but I can understand why some are a bit disappointed.
And as the effect of the syndrome affects Picard more (likely in future seasons), not only he's going to struggle to find anyone in Starfleet willing to listen to him, but many of his confidants - both the old TNG crew and the newbies joining him in his new voyage - would also begin to doubt him as well.
It is a good rationale to have
Robert Picardo returns in S2 (as some has rumored).
Who knew silly alien names uncommon in English-speaking countries were hard to spell?
If you read the last installment of the 'Countdown' comics, you'll get some clue on who was likely overrode the Martian synths and set them on course to the path of murdering and destroying anything in their path.
My theory is Picard sent Zhaban and Laris to Ireland for an intensive English language course before they started working full-time in his vineyard. Along the way she picked up some Irish slangs
I guess we'll find out next week. I think some like Hugh are working on the cube by choice, but others are not there voluntarily. Some might be guinea pigs for whatever experiment Narek and his crew are running aboard the cube.
I think they're the official surviving Romulan government, but the Romulan refugees seem to be fragmented into multiple groups with numerous political allegiances and agendas, so I think there are rebel Romulan groups scattered all over the Alpha quadrant.
Parallel to contemporary Libya and Somalia after their long-term dictators were ousted. Even though both have official regimes recognized by the West, there are dozens of militia/rebel groups on the ground fighting each other and competing for power.
I have a feeling Picard and Admiral Clancy have been feuding with each other for a very long time, She also reminds me of Picard's long-standing feud with Admiral Necheyev back during the TNG years.
Personally I think they should've invited Natalya Nogulich to replay her instead of casting a new actress and a new character, but I understand the show runners would prefer to invite more key TNG cast members to reprise their roles, as they don't come cheap
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i heard the volcanos are fun, too
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I dont think it was him to be honest, I cant see him being a Zhat Vash although its not impossible.
Borg tech could definitely rewrite those synths though.
I dont think it was him to be honest, I cant see him being a Zhat Vash although its not impossible.
Borg tech could definitely rewrite those synths though.
to me she looks like a useful idiot who can be manipulated - if she was an asset they wouldn't have talked about taking her out on such a casual matter
I actually think that this may have been part of the point that both Picard and the admiral were partially correct and partially incorrect. Picard may have been correct that the right thing to do would have been to provide as much help to the Romulans as possible, but the admiral is also correct that if Federation members are already unhappy AND you have just lost the majority of the rescue fleet, that the rescue may have become untenable. Picard (as leader of the rescue fleet) had a vested interest in helping the Romulans and may have even made promises he felt obligated to keep. The other admirals may have felt that the decimation of their main--or at least major--shipyard justified pulling out. Picard, who has disobeyed orders and even resigned before over moral arguments (such as in Insurrection) probably assumed that the leadership would acquiesce and reinstate him for the rescue mission. They didn't this time and he was too stubborn to admit he overstepped. I personally liked the fact that both parties are in grey areas from an ethical perspective and that Picard lost the fight on this occasion. I don't think we necessarily have to agree with Picard's decision as he is still the protagonist but not just a one dimensional "hero" in this case.
No, you're just wrong. EU has government, it is called European Commission. UFP is much more analogous to EU than USA. It is a collective of different states with their own traditions an political cultures. If a member state wants to leave for stupid reasons, they can.
yep - the borg having not met so many species could have been barely managable for the romulans but why did they retreat into another quadrant?
Yeah...this is why I've always asserted (even when I was a teenager and the show was in first-run) that there is a huge difference between Picard's perceptions of what the Federation is and what it actually is. I think most fans just buy the truth as whatever Picard droned on about (utopia, evolved sensibilities, no money because we're all here to better ourselves, etc etc etc) rather than taking what has actually has been portrayed on screen about the Federation as evidence.
As Lily Sloan said about the whole thing, "Bullshit..."
Why not? We've seen PLENTY of a-hole Vulcans. They are a race of billions, with their own failings, shortcomings, and issues. It's been like that since Valeris in TUC 29 years ago, and it's been shown that way ever since.
They can justify any kind of behavior in the name of "logic."
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My favorite thing about the new versions of Star Trek (since 2009 and running) has been exactly this. I love that they subvert expectations and challenge the fans. Star Trek in 2004 had totally run its course under the old style, pacing, philosophy, and approach. I'm a huge fan, and even I was totally done with it. I'm always thrilled when they sort of jab us (the fans) purposefully. It's the only reason I'm still here.
All this talk about "it can't be that easy to leave the Federation" is frankly ridiculous. These aren't states, they're entire worlds with their own governments, millions of years of history, culture, etc etc etc. And what is the Federation...? They're going to deny someone the ability to exit (how would they even stop them)? No, I think the UFP is an extremely fragile thing, because if member worlds think things are going south....they can literally just say "we're not playing any more," so it makes things MUCH more complicated to manage politically.
And frankly, that's far more interesting dramatically as well.
You can't seriously be comparing a multi billion dollar franchise uncritically referencing a conspiracy theory to a person on an internet forum calling it out. That's the same fallacy as the people who shout "Look at the tolerant left they won't tolerate my saying LGBT shouldn't exist on twitter!"
Still waiting for someone to show where I said conspiracy theories should be criminalized...
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