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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

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I liked it, gives a reason to the hatred to Ai's .. Well.. An enemy .. Surprised they didn't go after Data long long ago.. If they have that much hatred..
Oh.. Comadore office needs some blinds ore something.. Lensflaire everywhere..
 
I thought that given Picard had just dissed Starfleet the Admiral was responding like a normal person would to Picard's request. Just she would come off better if instead of defending abandoning millions of people to death she said it was wrong but Picard went about it the wrong way.
 
What have done to the poor replicators? They made them look like 3D printers.
It's a Daystrom Home Version 3D-Rep.
It 3D prints all the containers and uses replication tech to create the liquids and foodstuffs.
(uses much less power and the containers are edible)

If you look closely it seems that the tea appears just about at the point when the cup is almost finished being formed, not while it is being formed.
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I thought that given Picard had just dissed Starfleet the Admiral was responding like a normal person would to Picard's request. Just she would come off better if instead of defending abandoning millions of people to death she said it was wrong but Picard went about it the wrong way.
Also, they both got their backs up and that's when the shouting/swearing began.
 
What have done to the poor replicators? They made them look like 3D printers.

The replicators on the Mars station were just, really guys? The mechanical bits inside of them, the thin aluminium walls, they were clearly present-day 3D printers and it showed. Hard to see these as being an advanced technology. And it appears they are programed/or their design causes them to produce lower quality food than what we normally hear from replicators.

They actually produce sub-standard food that these people barely consider to b e edible. I guess you could probably say they're more akin to TOS's "food synthesizers" and aren't full replicators, but still, the machines themselves just looked pathetic.

And at first I liked it, but I'm not too sure I like the new replication effect it again feels too much like it is drawing, "printing" it instead of replicating it. If the replicators are based off transporter technology it makes sense it'd have the transporter-like look.

But, no buy the cheapest 3D-printer you can and have it "draw" the food in place. That looks like almost-25th century technology!

The entire look and behavior of the Mars staff just felt anachronistic to what we've seen and been told about the 24th Century. It, again, just feels like slightly more techy-like 21st century horseshit.
 
I'd like to think that a professional Admiral would actually maintain decorum, treat JLP with courtesy, examine his claims and politely refuse his stuff. What counts is the Federation interest here, Picard is an elder-statesmen not a cadet or even a captain, resentfully chewing him up doesn't do anything. All that's just interference.
 
I'd like to think that a professional Admiral would actually maintain decorum, treat JLP with courtesy, examine his claims and politely refuse his stuff. What counts is the Federation interest here, Picard is an elder-statesmen not a cadet or even a captain, resentfully chewing him up doesn't do anything. All that's just interference.

That's gene roddenberry's take on it!
 
I liked the ep. There seems to be some sort of conspiracy going on to keep the "status quo" among the major powers of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant. The Federation saving lots of Romulans could have changed that. I can see some parallels with the Undiscovered Country's plot.
 
Agreed. You shouldn't get to just up and leave the Federation because you disagree with one political decision. If that was the case, the Federation would never have been able to exist for as long as it has. Planets would be dropping out constantly over minor policy differences. Same reason why US states can't just pop in and pop out at will, no matter how they might disagree with the Federal government.
Who says it's easy? Perhaps it's precisely because it was unusual that it would have been a big deal, something that the Federation couldn't afford to take lightly. It found itself having to choose between loyalty to its member worlds and the strength of its union, or helping an adversarial power.

The second episode was not as, ahem, engaging as the first, but it was still pretty good. There were a couple of moments where they almost seemed to poke fun at the idea the kind of sequel most TNG fans actually want to see. First, Picard goes to this year's token crabby Admiral and requests to be reinstated and given a ship-- and is promptly accused of fucking hubris and sent packing. Then later, one of his Romulan caretakers suggests that he contact members of his old Enterprise crew and he soundly rejects that notion on the grounds that they would be loyal and want to help. Okay. Personally, I would have preferred that scenario, but this is the scenario we got and so far it's doing okay.

This is also the second episode in a row with some Earl Grey genuflection.

Moving the story along, Picard and his other Romulan caretaker visit Dhaj's apartment to investigate the scene of the crime-- shades of Dixon Hill-- only to find that it has been scrubbed of all evidence. Not quite all, because Picard's caretakers are former Tal Shiar, so she's able to find something. This leads to the revelation that the Tal Shiar is just the front for a far older and far darker shadow group that nobody knows about except to the extent that they can drop vague hints about their sinister purpose. Yeah, that does sound boring. Especially since their sinister purpose seems to be exclusively to destroy all artificial intelligence for no apparent reason. And seeing as how Picard's ex-Tal Shiar caretakers know about this, I think we can be pretty much guaranteed that at least one of them will turn out to be a sleeper agent for this shadow group and be shockingly activated around episode eight.

It was also implied that it was this shadow group that took control of the synths and made them destroy Utopia Planitia and set Mars ablaze. Writing that sentence makes me wonder if it was a deliberate move by the writers to destroy something named Utopia. Anyway, those synths were pretty low-rent androids, nowhere near Data level. Even Alexa has a better sense of humor than those guys.

The scene between Picard and Admiral Crabby was pretty interesting, because they discussed the Federation pullback of aid to Romulus. Apparently fourteen Federation member worlds threatened to secede from the union if aid was given. So the situation is not so simplistic as it first appeared-- apparently not all member worlds are as on board with Federation values as others, and internal politics can be a bit fraught. I'm guessing these troublesome worlds have names like Texas Centauri and Gamma Alabama.

And, hey, we have a Commodore for the first time in ages. I always loved Commodores. That would have been my preferred rank if I was in Starfleet. Too bad this one is a Romulan mole.

Anyway, instead of gathering up his old beloved crew from the Enterprise, Picard has begun to gather up some less-beloved acquaintances from the untold years between then and now, which we will probably learn more about starting next week. He has been medically approved to return to space, however there was a mention of his Irumodic Syndrome, and I have a bad feeling that that's more foreshadowing than a nod to continuity. In any case, the hunt for Bruce Maddox has begun.

Zhat Vash, huh? I thought it was Jack Flash. That would have been a gas, gas, gas.
Didja find your earbuds? :D

Off Topic: Can someone explain to me why the hate on the Enterprise shown on Discovery. I liked it and miles better than the ugly abortion that was Abramprise. Still think TMP is the best.
Indeed, completely off-topic for this thread and forum. Take that business to the Discovery forum or, if you're looking to compare to other versions of the Enterprise, perhaps GTD.

DS9 tells us the occupation began 60 years earlier and the Federation stood by and watched.
The Federation is surrounded by empires. If it intervened on behalf of every subject world, it would be constantly at war with all of its neighbors, and wouldn't survive long. It has to choose its wars.

I can't believe I didn't mention this earlier. I got a huge kick out of Picard saying he just doesn't get science-fiction. ;)
Jean-Luc Picard finds real life to be much more interesting.
 
I would've given him a ticket on a small ship. But he's just a guest on it. Some Jellico style captain that takes no nonsense and keeps Picard in his lane to lead the mission.

Present that as a take it or leave it offer.

Picard might be very difficult and you'll want to hedge your bets. But betting wholly against his instincts is not a winner.
 
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