Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Jan 28, 2020.

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  1. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    This initially confused me too, but in my mind the implication (particularly once "shift call" happened) is not that they just boned, but that Soji stayed the night with Narek - that they were just waking up and boned the night before. Lots of people don't like sleeping in the buff and put some clothing back on when they go to sleep - even with a new fling.
     
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  2. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    You should know I'm talking about the typical TNG Admiral with their own agenda. Power hungry types.
     
  3. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'd be curious, actually, to see a list of those admirals. There were lots of "bad" admirals on TNG and DS9. But not all of them were bad in the same way. Nacheyev, in "Descent" for example, seemed to have very dubious morals, but I don't think she was power hungry or "evil" per se. Similarly with Admiral Ross. With Dougherty it was more blatant, but like Nacheyev, he too seemed motivated by some kind of greater good, at least as he perceived it, which doesn't excuse his actions but it helps explain his motivation.

    In short, I think all these admirals seemed fairly believable. They didn't seem like the stereotypical empty villain of modern Trek.
     
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  4. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    :D Wasn't talking about Picard, i was talking about "Federation members" - planets! If entire worlds can leave the UFP over a single disagreement, there's no way they could have survived as an institution. That's why it's a FEDERATION - a strong united, central government. You don't get to pull out over one disagreement.
     
  5. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I know that, but from a narrative/thematic point of view, it's confusing. We're not know what to make of all of it.
     
  6. Crewman6

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    Did Nechayev have "dubious morals?" She was just taking a hardline approach against the Borg, which is somewhat justifiable given history.
     
  7. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It could have been a building disagreement, such as over the allocation of resources, with the Romulan evacuation serving merely as the final straw. For example, Britain's been uneasy about immigration from the EU for decades. The Syrian refugee crisis, and the EU's response to it, helped fuel the racism and xenophobia that had been lurking underneath to push the UK over the edge.
     
  8. GulBahana

    GulBahana Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm not a big fan of profanity that's hundreds of years old still being used in the Federation. It didn't ruin it for me though. Rafi seems familiar? Where did Picard know her from?
     
  9. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I have a feeling Nacheyev would have also been in favor of Japanese internment camps. Lots of people might also have said those were somewhat justifiable, given history. But that's bull. They were immoral, they were wrong, and history correctly does not judge them favorably. Actually, I think Nacheyev would have fit right in with the Trump administration.
     
  10. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    There are still jobs in the 24th Century. Everyone doesn't get to sit at home doing yoga all day long.
     
  11. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Said profanity is already "hundreds of years old."
     
  12. DaveyNY

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    Yeah, me too.
    But on rewatching it he said Raffi.
     
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  13. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    I liked Ross, but he was either "very" aware of, or a part of S31.
     
  14. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Don't care about books. The process of entering and leaving the Federation shouldn't be as easy and capricious as signing up for Netflix.
     
  15. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It should be at least as easy as entering and leaving the EU. Except, you know, easier. Since presumably the Federation and the worlds entering and leaving are run by competent people.
     
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  16. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Great points. I hate the idea of the Zhat Vash, what an unbelievably dumb concept. And I could buy a "molecular scanner" or whatever recreating an image of someone, but a recording of the conversation. Ugh. Ridiculous magic right there. That was just a terrible scene all around.

    This was basically a stinker of an episode that does nothing except move some pieces a little further into place. But, man, it could have been handled much better.
     
  17. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    No, it should be harder. It's a FEDERATION. The EU is not. It has a unified government, the EU does not. The analogy is a state leaving the US.
     
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  18. Mechanoid1

    Mechanoid1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Dude, shear fu__ing hubris!
     
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  19. Crewman6

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    That's hardly fair to Nechayev. Yes, she was a hard-ass, but she had extremely difficult situations to deal with. So what if she wasn't cuddly. There's nothing to suggest a lack of moral fiber on her part.
     
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  20. DaveyNY

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    Ummmm...
    Several did and look what that led to.
    (Civil War)
    This may be the beginning of the build up to DISCOVERY Season-3 and the crash of the Federation over a millennia.
     
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