Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 5x09 - "Fissure Quest"

[Oddish]

It isn't even at that point a matter of the CHARACTER or not so much as it being stupid writing and a joke gone so far it's gone past meme status.

And it bothers the hell out of some Trekkies, while others take a twisted pleasure in it.

So even though Kurtzman and crew had nothing to do with the original action, they've nonetheless doubled down on it. Presumably because they've decided that if they can't please both sides, they'll just try to avoid pissing off either one.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

How many people on Earth still care either way after all this time? 10 maybe?

 

[Oddish]

How many people on Earth still care either way after all this time? 10 maybe?

If that were the case, why have they been so careful to ensure that the character's canonical fate is unknown? You don't sidestep landmines that you don't believe exist.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And it bothers the hell out of some Trekkies, while others take a twisted pleasure in it.

So even though Kurtzman and crew had nothing to do with the original action, they've nonetheless doubled down on it. Presumably because they've decided that if they can't please both sides, they'll just try to avoid pissing off either one.

Or maybe they're just sitting back and enjoying the joke.

 

[Oddish]

Or maybe they're just sitting back and enjoying the joke.

Some people laugh while watching the school bully dole out purple nurples, too. I never quite got the joke.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Some people laugh while watching the school bully dole out purple nurples, too. I never quite got the joke.

Clearly you're not equating Harry Kim never getting a promotion in a fictional setting with a real world situation of a bully tormenting people weaker than them, are you? Because that would be... a choice. I mean, even Garrett Wang sees the absurdity of it for what it is and is willing to laugh at the joke, or else he never would have done Lower Decks in the first place.

 

[DonIago]

^Wang, not Wong, but otherwise I concur.

 

[Oddish]

Clearly you're not equating Harry Kim never getting a promotion in a fictional setting with a real world situation of a bully tormenting people weaker than them, are you?

Just stating that I am amused by neither.

And beyond that, simply observing that this episode was careful to ensure that Harry Kim's canonical status was in permanent limbo. Discussion of whether that was right or wrong, and whether I should care or not, we should take to the relevant topic in the VOY forum. The mods did after all create said topic just to get me to shut up on the subject everywhere else.

 

[Vulcanoid]

How many people on Earth still care either way after all this time? 10 maybe?

Make that 11 buddy boy because I'm going to care about it since I just reread this whole thing.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I will update my spreadsheet.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Hip-deep in Easter eggs . . . and then a cliffhanger?!?

Loved how they leaned into all the fan complaints about Kim never getting promoted.

 

[Oddish]

Just the opposite. In this episode, they catered to the people who gloated about Harry being stuck at ensign forever.

The people who complained had to wait until the "Starfleet Academy" trailer.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I said "leaned into." Not "appeased" or even "addressed."

 

[xgta8519x]

bad

 

[Nerys Myk]

bad

Shamone

 

[Morpheus 02]

Hee Hee

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

 

[ParaTulip]

Overall, big fan of this episode. I had a lot of fun with the various alt-universe characters and it sets up the series finale to go as big as possible.

I see mostly people agreeing with the point Boimler makes about how multiverses are typically a bunch of rehashing, and I am more of the same. There is a rebute given in the episode: There's so much new and interesting stuff that is possible in other universes. That might work within the narrative. However, as a comment on the use of multiverses in fiction, it falls utterly flat. We don't get a Star Trek parallel universe show with all new characters and concepts, because at that point it is just a different show that is either weirdly disconnected from the rest of canon or, even more weirdly, not Trek shaped. The "infinite possibilities of imaginative things" is just all of fiction. Multiverses in media are necessarily rehashes of characters and concepts, because otherwise they would just be new universes and not multiverses of that thing.