Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x01 - "Second Contact"

[137th Gebirg]

Chekov was also apparently partial to Vodka ... er... soda pop (Trouble With Tribbles), and we still don't exactly know the precise nature of Tranya, even though it has been shown and mentioned several times throughout multiple series.

 

[Vger23]

Some linguist needs to analyze how much vernacular lasts how long... isn't a lot of stuff from just 100 years ago terribly outdated when people use it now?

Ultimately, since it's just an entertainment franchise and not designed to be a portal looking into the future of humanity...….I'm not sure it matters, nor is it worth the effort.

I'd rather have Star Trek use modern phrases and slang than try to invent something (see also : BSG 1978) that will immediately make it feel hokey and ridiculous.

Let's entertain people first, then worry about how "realistic" everything is sometime later.

I see comments on youtube of people who say that lower decks is against gene's vision !! and they say that we would never see a fleet officer be a drunk! those people never saw ToS! Scotty was a drunk and that was a joke!

Anytime anyone says anything anywhere about "Gene's Vision..." I immediately tune out and discount the comment being made.

Gene's Vision was a thing that got made up in the mid-70's so he could profit off an 8-year-old TV show in syndication. It was interesting, but has very little to do with creating entertaining television stories.

 

[Vger23]

Literally everything said and done by everyone.


I expected comedy, not childish hyper craziness. If this were about a civilian ship, I'd be more open to the style of humor.

I think it's just supposed to be for fun. The "shock value" of the behavior being so abnormal from what we've seen of main characters on other shows is part of the appeal and humor.

At least, that's the intent.

Now, I can see 100% how that wouldn't appeal to someone, depending on their viewpoints of what Star Trek should and should not be. But, this was not an accident or a mis-step. The creators know exactly what they are doing and what they are going for.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

The problem isn't that it's different. Adults aren't this childish. "The warp core is soooo kewl!" I expect this from a child, not a grown man. My objections are entitely on the childiah humour, everything else, I was OK with. Oh, and they ripped off 28 Days Later with the rage virus.

Rick and Morty is better.

 

[BillJ]

"The warp core is soooo kewl!" I expect this from a child, not a grown man.

I’m not sure I see the issue with someone thinking the tech is cool and wanting to show it off. Scotty wanted to drag Larry Marvick off to see the engine room in a TOS episode.

 

[fireproof78]

Adults are that childish depending on the environment.

At least at my workplace. Stupid social workers...

 

[rhllot]

Ultimately, since it's just an entertainment franchise and not designed to be a portal looking into the future of humanity...….I'm not sure it matters, nor is it worth the effort.

I'd rather have Star Trek use modern phrases and slang than try to invent something (see also : BSG 1978) that will immediately make it feel hokey and ridiculous.

Let's entertain people first, then worry about how "realistic" everything is sometime later.



Anytime anyone says anything anywhere about "Gene's Vision..." I immediately tune out and discount the comment being made.

Gene's Vision was a thing that got made up in the mid-70's so he could profit off an 8-year-old TV show in syndication. It was interesting, but has very little to do with creating entertaining television stories.

but saying this when we saw it on ToS is the most ridiculous anyone can say to complain! they are haters !!

 

[fireproof78]

Let's entertain people first, then worry about how "realistic" everything is sometime later.

This.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's a comedy cartoon.

Oh, and they ripped off 28 Days Later with the rage virus.

And 28 Days Later ripped off every other Zombie story.

 

[Jadeb]

On a serious note, you can probably find examples throughout all of Trek where the characters act childish or in a “not Starfleet” manner.

Isn’t that why people loved Tilly?

Starfleet crews — they’re just like us!

 

[Vger23]

The problem isn't that it's different. Adults aren't this childish. "The warp core is soooo kewl!" I expect this from a child, not a grown man. My objections are entitely on the childiah humour, everything else, I was OK with. Oh, and they ripped off 28 Days Later with the rage virus.

Rick and Morty is better.

I’m not sure I see the issue with someone thinking the tech is cool and wanting to show it off. Scotty wanted to drag Larry Marvick off to see the engine room in a TOS episode.

Every time I go to Ticonderoga to see the Star Trek Tour, I'm basically a 9 year old kid. It's amazing! Last week, I visited the Field of Dreams Movie Site in Iowa and I was a giggling, overjoyed little boy. I couldn't stop gushing and wanted to touch every blade of grass.

I think seeing characters treating the environment and tech with awe and child-like reverence is really cool. It helps wash away some of the stiffness and "all in a day's work" attitude that TNG had about the marvels of space travel.

Again, relatability and entertainment before realism....at least for me.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I'd rather have Star Trek use modern phrases and slang than try to invent something (see also : BSG 1978) that will immediately make it feel hokey and ridiculous.

I disagree. Glen Larson was positively brilliant for inventing the term "Frak" (or the NuBSG variant "Frack"). Literally everyone over 7 years of age knew what it meant without explanation and could easily be said on Prime Time TV, then and now, to bypass the sanctimonious and arbitrary red marker of censorship by the FCC's Standards & Practices (the precise purpose for which many of these words were invented).

"Feldercarb/Felgercarb" (bullshit), "pogees" (balls), "astrum" (ass), and a myriad other things followed in the same utilitarian vein, most of which were re-used in NuBSG, to good effect. Other celebrated sci-fi series have followed in this proud tradition (Firefly, Farscape, etc.) that functioned reasonably well.

 

[Kelso]

If your elementary school students are getting drunk and playing with bladed weapons it might be time to get some outside help.

 

[valkyrie013]

They are kids! 22 - 23 years old fresh out of academy..
TELL ME that a fresh ensign or butter bar Lt. Ain't a kid.. And stupid as a moron.

 

[The Wormhole]

If your elementary school students are getting drunk and playing with bladed weapons it might be time to get some outside help.

As it turns out, the elementary school I went to did have issues with the kids drinking alcohol and bringing knives to school.

 

[Michael]

Watching the show, was very excited to watch the premiere. Great animation, OK intro, bland music. Five minutes in, and grown men and women acting like elementary schoolers. What the hell?

Love Discovery, Short Treks, and Picard. What happened here?

The ship is huge, why are they sleeping in the hallway bunks?

No reason your review of “Second Contact” somehow warrants its own thread, so I merged it with the already existing review and discussion thread where us mere mortals post our hot takes.

 

[fireproof78]

Every time I go to Ticonderoga to see the Star Trek Tour, I'm basically a 9 year old kid. It's amazing! Last week, I visited the Field of Dreams Movie Site in Iowa and I was a giggling, overjoyed little boy. I couldn't stop gushing and wanted to touch every blade of grass.

I think seeing characters treating the environment and tech with awe and child-like reverence is really cool. It helps wash away some of the stiffness and "all in a day's work" attitude that TNG had about the marvels of space travel.

Again, relatability and entertainment before realism....at least for me.

Yup. Saw a Star Wars exhibit at 26 and was grinning the whole time. The older I get the more I realize how important play is.

 

[137th Gebirg]

As it turns out, the elementary school I went to did have issues with the kids drinking alcohol and bringing knives to school.

Mine too. I think that's more the rule than the exception, sadly.

 

[BillJ]

Yup. Saw a Star Wars exhibit at 26 and was grinning the whole time. The older I get the more I realize how important play is.

I think many of us take life way too seriously when we’re younger. Then we get old and realize we aren’t getting out alive.

 

[Reyman]

Gave it another watch. I can see why some might not like it, but I can also see it doing really well with a lot of non Trek fans. If that was the aim of the show then it looks like they might have succeeded.