Spoilers Star Trek: Khan 1x01 - "Paradise"
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What do you mean by "90s vibe" having it structured like a story done in the 90s? What could they have done to make this "more 90s"?
Out of time is probably a better way to describe what I expected. I remember them being far more conservative in the Space Seed versus the Enterprise crew. I expected their behavior to be jarring compared to present times. What I didn't expect was the changes made to McGivers. She goes from love interest to Khan to a super progressive, independent woman whereas she was pretty submissive to Khan in Space Seed.
I'll listen to some more.
Have you watched Strange New Worlds episode Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow?
Although to a member of an interstellar society, being stranded on an uninhabited planet is being imprisoned, and then some. At least in a prison, you can potentially escape. But you can't escape from a planet that has no infrastructure for building spacecraft. You're completely dependent on someone from outside coming to retrieve you.
So what I found disingenuous was Marla saying she wanted to chronicle the Augments' history for future generations. I guess she assumed that the Federation would send ships to check up on them. And I assume that's what Kirk intended, since the fan theory that he concealed what he did would be completely out of character for Kirk, who was not the rule-breaking renegade he's been mythologized as -- and who was a student of history himself, so he would never have committed such an obscene crime against history as to conceal the rediscovery of living eyewitnesses of a critical historical era for which surviving records are fragmentary. So I really hope there's a clearer explanation in the audio series of why their existence was classified, and by whom.
What are you talking about? She was in luv and wanted to be with an old fashion guy versus what was the norm for Starfleet guys at the time. Her character fundamentally changed in the audio drama. This new version would never have gone with him in the first place or got herself into enough trouble to get a court martial. She'd still be on the Enterprise.
We all lie to salvage our pride sometimes…
Oh, absolutely. I'm not saying what she said was out of character or bad writing or anything like that. I was speaking of the character's behavior.
Maybe they can have a "Previously on Star Trek: Khan..."
The only one with any significant screen time or dialog is Khan. Glancing through the transcript the only other one with dialog is Joachim and it's one line. So the book is pretty open on their attitudes, behaviors and beliefs.
Khan lamenting never finding out if Arnold and Helga got together in Hey, Arnold!
Oh, I thought this was going to be a one-off thing telling the entire story from beginning to end in a handful of episodes, not multiple seasons. So does this mean this season might even end on some kind of cliffhanger?
Maybe some of Khan’s followers should be into grunge, wearing Flannel shirts, ripped jeans and band t-shirts.
No, you're right. In the TrekCore interview, Kirsten says that "It has a distinctive end. It gets you from “Space Seed” to Wrath," so I misinterpreted the part of the podcast interview where she talked about how, right up to the end, there's a chance for Khan to make it work.
Thanks so much for looking it up and clarifying. I have to say, though, I already like the idea of more of these podcasts. This one is done really well, so I hope they‘ll be able to come back and do another story for us.
Not anymore, thanks to Strange New Worlds episode Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow the Eugenics Wars are now in the mid or late 20somethings. The episode established that Temporal Cold War changed the timeline and pushed the Eugenics Wars forward in time and shows Khan as a kid in modern day Vancourver.
This was my exact feeling as well. And I found it odd that they decided to place such an emphasis that she was a 'great historian'. Like, just really so, so good at her job. Maybe that was to support the retcon that she chose to join Khan in exile so that she could be a chronicler, rather than a lover? But it felt odd how strongly the episode emphasized how great she was.
And, benefit of a doubt; I am assuming the character changes exist so that she and Khan can fall in love more authentically, as equals, and the like. I can see the why of the changes. I still just have trouble with the cognitive dissonance of the portrayal compared with the original.
Indeed. And while this is seen as sexist to.modern viewers, it does strike me as very quintessential to Gene Roddenberry's conception of the future pre-TNG. It's the same 'rough and rugged qualities have been bred out of enlightened humanity, but maybe there are still some uses for them' mentality that we got in the TMP novelization. It was an idea that seemed to fascinate Roddenberry- in a way, he seemed to share Marla's views on the value of qualities of previous generations that were perhaps lost as a side-effect of 'progress'.
Now, the way that idea actually manifested with Marla, and the extent to which it was taken, may have been problematic. But it wasn't some one-off idea for a guest-star characterization for a single episode. It was an outgrowth and (perhaps inept) exploration of an idea baked into the very DNA of 60s & 70s Star Trek.
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