Spoilers Star Trek: Khan 1x01 - "Paradise"
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Unless they cover Khan's childhood, I'm not sure how they could reference the SNW take.
Too British?
Pretty good first episode. Naveen Andrews is great as Khan. Good to hear Tim Russ as Tuvok again. Takei is sounding his age, but was good as Sulu.
On the downside, I thought some of the dialogue felt overwritten, much of that in the many speeches of Khan. I also didn’t quite buy the Khan chant or how quickly Marla was swayed first by Ursula and her companion, and then by Khan himself. Those turns felt a bit too fast and unearned.
EDIT: adding a few more thoughts…
I don’t get the point of the ticking clock at the end of the episode. If the researcher has all of the tapes and the cargo pod has been as immaculately preserved as we’re lead to believe, she could take her time to process the data elsewhere and return later. There’s no way should could’ve been so self-absorbed to think Excelsior would magically stay in orbit of Ceti Alpha V for months at a time. That’s just poor planning on her part, and Tuvok has a point,
Finally, I remain undecided about the angle the researcher is taking on Khan. While she says she’s wanting an impartial look at the madman, I get the sense she’s got an axe to grind when it comes to Kirk. The timing of this expedition so soon after his death is suspicious.
Overall, giving this one a 7.
On the downside, I thought some of the dialogue felt overwritten, much of that in the many speeches of Khan. I also didn’t quite buy the Khan chant or how quickly Marla was swayed first by Ursula and her companion, and then by Khan himself. Those turns felt a bit too fast and unearned.
EDIT: adding a few more thoughts…
I don’t get the point of the ticking clock at the end of the episode. If the researcher has all of the tapes and the cargo pod has been as immaculately preserved as we’re lead to believe, she could take her time to process the data elsewhere and return later. There’s no way should could’ve been so self-absorbed to think Excelsior would magically stay in orbit of Ceti Alpha V for months at a time. That’s just poor planning on her part, and Tuvok has a point,
Finally, I remain undecided about the angle the researcher is taking on Khan. While she says she’s wanting an impartial look at the madman, I get the sense she’s got an axe to grind when it comes to Kirk. The timing of this expedition so soon after his death is suspicious.
Overall, giving this one a 7.
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I actually really liked the voice actor for Khan, and thought he did a great job with the character.
Although I did notice they slipped in a line explaining how La'An's lineage came to be. (Even though we all could have really figured that one out on our own.)
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I just checked the recording again, and Sulu says "I was there when he attempted to steal the USS Enterprise and kill Captain Kirk", so that's placing him in "Space Seed". (In TWOK, Khan didn't try to steal the Enterprise, just destroy it.)
Did they say this was three years after Kirk "died?" That seems hard to reconcile with "Flashback," which gave the impression that Ensign Tuvok went ahead with his plan to resign his commission once his current assignment on the Excelsior was complete. Although I suppose it's possible that the assignment was for another three years, but the ship was just ending a three-year Beta Quadrant mission when TUC and "Flashback" happened.
They said three months.
Trekmovie got this wrong too, don't know if they corrected their article by now.
This idea of augment sterilization in female augments wasn't mentioned anywhere else, you would think Arik Soong might have mentioned it in Enterprise. That's not even getting into Section 31's revelation that augments can transform other humans into augments (what happened to Alok Shar) but admittedly that still won't solve the fertility problem in the audio even if they altered Marla.
I think Section 31 used the word "Augment" rather loosely, and I don't think that's what Alok Sahar really was. Augmented perhaps, but not an Augment in the purest sense of the word. He certainly wouldn't have been accepted by this crowd on Ceti Alpha 5.
That was nonsensical. It's hard enough to buy 20th- (or 21st-)century technology having the means to engineer Augments prenatally; it's absurd to suggest that it could convert an adult into an Augment.
I still think everyone since TWOK has misunderstood what "Space Seed" intended. The original episode said the superhumans were engineered with selective breeding, the same technique used to domesticate plants and animals since antiquity. I think Carey Wilber was assuming that one of the human eugenics movements that were big in the late 19th century actually worked and survived when the others failed, and managed to breed successively more "superior" humans over multiple generations until they finally achieved the likes of Khan. That's stretching the science quite a bit, but it's more plausible than genetic engineers from the 20th century figuring out how to create superhumans in a single generation. Wilber's generation fought the Nazis and thus was familiar with the history of eugenics movements, so he was basically asking, what if a group believing in a "master race" actually managed to create one? But later generations lost sight of that and thought of it more in terms of the novel science of genetic engineering.
I think it's great. I give it a 10 (like only being a tv series would make it better.)
british accent not withstanding, the dialogue and delivery felt very Khan, like just out of 1967. I like all the dialogue and all the conflicts that are being set up. I'm not as impressed with the framing story, but I'm not listening for it.
british accent not withstanding, the dialogue and delivery felt very Khan, like just out of 1967. I like all the dialogue and all the conflicts that are being set up. I'm not as impressed with the framing story, but I'm not listening for it.
I think a British accent makes far more sense for someone of Indian heritage than a Mexican accent did. And it's not the first time a Trek character has changed accent when played by different actors, like Sarek, T'Pau, Robert April -- and Scotty, pretty much.
Wait, Wrenn Schmidt is in this!?
So that puts the frame story in 2293 or perhaps early '94. I seem to recall them mentioning how many years it had been since TWOK, which was 2285 by the usual Chronology dating. I think they may have said nine years, but maybe it was eight.
As I understand it, there was talk of trying to have Montalban read the audio versions of my Khan novels, but, sadly, his health would not allow.
The YouTube 's automatic subtitles for this are good?
Oh, I did not know that. He was in Spy Kids and voiced in Kim Possible in the 00s so I had assumed that his health otherwise wasn't really that bad yet.
They're automatically generated so there will be typos and stuff but it's sufficient.
I'll try to what a community subtitleOh, I did not know that. He was in Spy Kids and voiced in Kim Possible in the 00s so I had assumed that his health otherwise wasn't really that bad yet.
They're automatically generated so there will be typos and stuff but it's sufficient.
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