That's not really the case, there have been almost 15 years worth of post-DS9 books, and there has been plenty of drama in them.
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Yes, but the novels don't have the limitations of the show. Could they do it? Of course, and I do believe they will get back to the 24th in maybe a decade or 2, but I'm guessing we're in for a minimum of 2 shows in this era, if it's successful and the market will bear it, etc. Also the 23rd reflects our current turbulent times a little better, but any era could work and would be fine with me as long as the quality of storytelling is there.
Quite.
And while they're at it, they should broadcast in black and white with a 4:3 aspect ratio and 405 scanned lines.
Anything else would not be just like Star Trek was during The Cage era.
Are you kidding me? Off the top of my head...
- Hundreds of ships were lost; thats thousands of lives and there were a lot more casualties. There's a lot to go with there in many different angles from personal stories to effecting Starfleet as a whole.
- Bajor now has a free pass to the Federation: Cue other members and worlds jumping through hoops getting frustrated.
- The fall of Cardassia has left a power vacuum in their region.
- Major worlds were attacked. I doubt Betazed is happy and ready to hold hands after being less protected than Vulcan.
- After 2009's future backstory, Romulus is dead. Thats a whole can of world to explore with a LOAD of options.
- Voyager got access to the Borg transwarp network. Can they access it again and how far can they go with it?
There's a lot more than that, but that era in just building it's back story has many different things to build on, to change and to tweak for a completely new era.
None of us can really comment until we see it, but from the STLV(?) reveal it seemed that they picked that era so they could play with that style. It's a foregone conclusion we won't see the cage uniforms - we'll see something simple, bright and matching the 60's, but without the velour and a few modern tweaks.
I'd assume something closer to the current film franchise, Beyond-ish in clothing style, than anything else with TOS as a template. Recreating the 60's exactly would be the least creative route available.
Probably because the whole "We're setting the show in the Prime Universe" is just a lot of lip service to the fanboys to make 'em happy, while Fuller's insidious plan is to actually make a reboot. Mind blown yet?
But the point is they are not recreating the 60's. They are re-making all of the Trek universe from the earliest popular era, keeping the stories that came before more or less, but not the look.
I'm not saying there's no stories to tell in the 24th, but telling those stories require some knowledge of what has come before. As much as I want to believe they are making a show for the fans, the mandate these days with other properties making huge money is mass appeal. I love the 24th and would be happy to continue from there. I think part of the appeal of the 23rd is that humanity is still deeply flawed in comparison to how they were in the 24th. Some writers hated the limitations of the 24th. As a fan of the 24th and of continuity, I also thought at first that the 80 years between film and TNG was the obvious timeframe to explore for one new show, but less so if they wanted to make 4 or 5 shows, which we know historically that they do.
I really think the 60's era look needs to be updated to the point that when new potential fans come of Trek, they think future, not Mad Men retro. They won't care about our nostalgia for TOS, and we will always have TOS. Then when new fans dig deeper, they may discover they can tolerate TOS by imagining it looked like DSC, not Mad Men retro Trek. That's how I felt watching it in the 80's. I thought oh, it doesn't really look like this, it looks like the movies but earlier. Then "Relics" made the TOS design canon mostly for nostalgia sake and now they are about to un-canonize it.
The uniforms matter for one episode.
We run out of complaints, and just deal with what we got.
Even if they are authentic cage Uniforms.
If the Characters we follow turn out to be civilians, or they're in some branch of Starfleet that prefers civilian dress... Then the boring Cage uniforms suddenly make every thing easier while the front and centre characters can be wearing anything that might be interesting as heck.
We run out of complaints, and just deal with what we got.
Even if they are authentic cage Uniforms.
If the Characters we follow turn out to be civilians, or they're in some branch of Starfleet that prefers civilian dress... Then the boring Cage uniforms suddenly make every thing easier while the front and centre characters can be wearing anything that might be interesting as heck.
Civilian wear will be easily distinguished based on costuming in Fuller's other shows. That's where they will have a lot of fun design-wise. I think what we'll gain will more than make up for losing the 60's aesthetic.
No they don't.
It's not as if they'd base a show in the 25th century and introduce a Romulan with a 25 minute scene explaining their history. At the end of DS9 Romulus was a strong empire. 2009 the planet went boom. Mystery25thCenturyShow could have them as refugee's, or a show further ahead could paint them like the Quarrians of Mass Effect.
All it takes is one throwaway line to connect the dots. No more. Doing a show in the late 24th (or 25th, or 26th) would require as much exposition as doing a show in the 23rd.
Drawing back to in a Mirror Darkly, and Trials & Triblelations.
The Wardrobe is fine.
The real problem, was all the cock-rocks.
The Wardrobe is fine.
The real problem, was all the cock-rocks.
You're preaching to the choir. I would love to see those stories!
I even wanted them to set it in the JJverse (but ignore the movies) closer to the 24th so we could have both the Romulans and Vulcans decimated and they would be forced to consider reunification. Totally relevant and a great nod to TNG. Then when they jump ahead to the 25th century for TNG II, they could have had a Romulan/Vulcan hybrid race that would rival Klingon fierceness, and be smarter and more civilized than humans.
I may be wrong, but I really don't think a 15 year-old in 2017 would think that wardrobe was fine, unless they were already a fan who had deep love and respect of the property.
Or the lack of. A show filled with cock rocks would mean tumblr users could keep the show going for years.
I'll get on it when they hire me for the job. So far the response has been "Stop contacting me!" and "Who even gave you my email address?!" but I'm sure Bry-Bry will come round.
Also... I couldn't actually remember why i was typing when I was typing. I blame this forum.
Trek needs to reflect the times, and part of that is looking like the times. If it doesn't look fresh to the young, they'll never watch long enough to see what's beneath the surface. The Trek fanbase needs to grow so that shows have creative carte blanche. These days if a production doesn't make a billion dollars (slight exaggeration regarding TV), it's a flop. I don't mean a creative flop that can be debated by fans, But an "axed by the network or dropped by the production company" flop.
One thing that hasn't changed since the 60's. The money men are still in charge. Gene is quoted as saying to the producer (Coon I believe) that the bottom line is TV exists to sell toothpaste.
One thing that hasn't changed since the 60's. The money men are still in charge. Gene is quoted as saying to the producer (Coon I believe) that the bottom line is TV exists to sell toothpaste.
A lack of sexiness, or a lack of coolness?
Wait?
Do kids even say "cool" any more?
Nothing so specific. It just can't look like their father's Trek. That will be the kiss of death in the long run. While it's true that now more than ever kids are embracing what their parents' like, it can't possibly last. The norm is to reject the previous gen's pop culture. Soon a new counter-culture will emerge, and it will draw a line under all the old nostalgia. There will always be fans, but Trek needs the fair-weather ones as well to be financially successful.
15 year olds now?
They were 2 years old sitting on a parents lap watching Enterprise.
It was their great, great grand parents who watched the Cage on it's first air.
15 year olds don't pay the Netflix subscription.
Unless they do.
Less than $10 a month.
They totally could.
As long as mum and dad were paying the internet/phone bundle.
They were 2 years old sitting on a parents lap watching Enterprise.
It was their great, great grand parents who watched the Cage on it's first air.
15 year olds don't pay the Netflix subscription.
Unless they do.
Less than $10 a month.
They totally could.
As long as mum and dad were paying the internet/phone bundle.
We've got a 14 year old. Little bastard doesn't even pay for his own Netflix. He'll watch what we tell him to and like it.
After the first new series ends in 7 years those kids will paying for Netflix (40.00 usd) and cbs all acces (59.95) on their own. At those prices they'd better be fans by then.
Still cheaper than drinking.
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