Star Trek Discovery Renewed For Season 3

[Succubint]

Michael Burnham is exceptional. Which is what she's supposed to be at a bare minimum to even get into Starfleet in the first place. Same with Saru, Tilly, Stamets and even Pike (supposedly one of the most decorated captains of this time). Funny how it's not a problem when Kirk or Spock or Picard are pulling off impossible feats of ingenuity, diplomacy or derring do.

 

[Alan Roi]

Something I find interesting is while Sarek is viewed as being a lousy father, each and every one of his children, whether it be Sybok a full Vulcan, Spock a half-Vulcan or Burnham, completely human, grow up to be exceptional.

I have toyed with the idea of exactly how much influence on a child a telepathic parent can be. Sarek, as we learned in this series more explicitly than before (although it has been hinted at) wanted his children to be exceptional, to the point that they could mold Vulcan into a new world. I seems to me that every one of them absorbed his desire for them to be exceptional at a subconscious level at what ever they chose to be, even if at a conscious level they tended to have their own problems with him as an emotionally unavailable dad..

 

[donners22]

Funny how it's not a problem when Kirk or Spock or Picard are pulling off impossible feats of ingenuity, diplomacy or derring do.

Picard in particular is an ace pilot (Booby Trap, In Theory), Klingon icon, renowned diplomat, guerrilla fighter (takes out a whole team of enemies in Starship Mine), archaeological expert...

 

[Cyrus]

Picard is Mary Sue? LOL

Will be funnier if we can make a case for Sisko as Mary Sue (great chef, great father, great fighter, badass Klingon undercover, religious figure).

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Picard is Mary Sue? LOL

Will be funnier if we can make a case for Sisko as Mary Sue (great chef, great father, great fighter, badass Klingon undercover, religious figure).

And he becomes a god!

 

[Vger23]

Star Trek characters are larger-than-life people with exceptional capabilities and achievements???

WTF!?

When did this start happening?????

 

[ScottJ85]

Star Trek characters are larger-than-life people with exceptional capabilities and achievements???

WTF!?

When did this start happening?????

Well I for one am writing a strongly worded letter to the Roddenberry estate about this !!

 

[Midquest]

I'm not even being over the top. Everything I stated happens in the show. She solves basically EVERYTHING (there is a youtube video of her solving pretty much everything in every episode).

To seriously claim this, you'd have to selectively ignore the many times that Tilly, Stamets, or Saru come up with solutions. The season literally begins with Burnham stranded with a spike through her leg, requiring her to need saving, for cryin' out loud.

Otherwise, explain to me how she solves everything in the most recent episode. Because I'm pretty sure that in Light and Shadows:

Spoiler

Burnham's not even present in two of the plotlines, and Tilly and Stamets come up with solutions; Meanwhile, Georgiou solves one of Burnham's big problems.

 

[cooleddie74]

Star Trek characters are larger-than-life people with exceptional capabilities and achievements???

WTF!?

When did this start happening?????

Travis Mayweather and Harry Kim would like to have a word with you.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

guerrilla fighter (takes out a whole team of enemies in Starship Mine)

Not sure this counts as he got owned in the dynasty style catfight he had with the female terrorist at the end.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Remember that time in "Court Martial" when Kirk's accolades were being listed and it seemed to just go on and on to the point that his lawyer had to cut it so they could proceed with the court? If Burnham had a fraction of that she'd still be accused of being a Mary Sue by some people. Because god forbid a woman achieve the same fantastic things that the men did in past shows.

 

[Succubint]

Did you notice that Pike revealed he's also a test pilot in the latest episode and knows the Discovery shuttles better than anyone else. Another notch in his exceptional skills tally.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Did you notice that Pike revealed he's also a test pilot in the latest episode and knows the Discovery shuttles better than anyone else. Another notch in his exceptional skills tally.

Archer did that first.

 

[Woulfe]

3rd season in the future ! That I can get behind, and we didn't even need to write letters to NBC this time around ;-)

 

[BillJ]

I'm not even being over the top. Everything I stated happens in the show. She solves basically EVERYTHING (there is a youtube video of her solving pretty much everything in every episode). She engages in constant insanely impossible feats, characters that belittle her literally die in awful ways. It's stated she got record marks at the Vulcan Science academy.

They got excited and overhyped the character a bit. But I doubt most would have these issues if the character was male. They would be celebrating Connelly getting splattered.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I think part of that issue is the “raised on Vulcan” aspect to the character. Obviously, when they were creating the show they wanted another “logical character who discovers their humanity” like Spock/Data/Seven. Martin-Green is much better when they allow her to be human in one-on-ones with Saru and Tilly, than as a Vulcan exposition delivery device in her scenes on the bridge, etc. I’m not sure if that is more the fault of the actor, writers or director (probably a bit of all them).

But she isn't at all like that! She's super emotional. Her struggle is more with what she thinks is expected of her, as well as her impulsiveness.

 

[ITDUDE]

Sure. And on that topic how dare they mak Sarah Michelle Geller the star of BVS when their casting Tony Head? What was Lucas thinking casting Hammill and Ford and then putting them in the same movie with Alec Guinness and Peter Cushing. What were these people thinking? You never, never cast excellent supporting actors who might dare show off their decades of experience when you're lead is much younger than they are?

Lol, it is now becoming crystal clear that OG SMG is much much much better actress than the new SMG. OG SMG was the reason for Buffy success, if STD is to be a long term success it wouldn't be because of new SMG but in-spite of her. Hey, I applauded when nSMG was announced as lead of STD, she definitely seemed like she could carry a show. She was below average in Season 1 and Season 2 is showing Season 1 wasn't a fluke. Like @BillJ says, maybe it's not the actresses fault, but the writers. But I am convinced more and more on weekly basis that nSMG is the problem and not the writers. In a year+ show went through multiple showrunners, multiple writers, yet Boringham appears pretty (mediocre) consistent.

 

[ITDUDE]

I'm gonna have to side with BillJ here. At least on "The Inner Light". I know it's a "good" episode, but... on the other hand, "Lessons" was a great sort-of follow-up. It got to me in a way "The Inner Light" didn't for some reason. You really feel for Picard at the end.

"The Visitor" gets me though. I can't help it.

The Inner Light is a great Patrick Stewart show case. The episode won a Hugo and Stewart could easily have won an Emmy (don't know if actors in single episodes in a TV show qualify). As a Star Trek episode it's only ok, nothing really StarTrekkie about it.
The Visitor is meh, haven't rewatched it at all.

 

[Lord Garth]

The Inner Light is a great Patrick Stewart show case. The episode won a Hugo and Stewart could easily have won an Emmy (don't know if actors in single episodes in a TV show qualify). As a Star Trek episode it's only ok, nothing really StarTrekkie about it.

In fairness, I haven't seen "The Inner Light" as an adult. So I might think differently of it now.

 

[eschaton]

As a Star Trek episode it's only ok, nothing really StarTrekkie about it.

I'm sorry, but this is a silly attitude. Star Trek started out with TOS as basically a framing device that could be used to tell any sort of science fiction story. Basically The Twilight Zone with a regular cast. The Inner Light is an example of that idea carried forward into TNG.

Something doesn't have to use "Trek lore" to be a Trekish episode.