Star Trek Discovery...best first season of the franchise?

[seigezunt]

I haven't decided where I'd rank PIC in all this, and need to give it a rewatch. I think for most of its run I would give it top scores, but I feel it kind of fumbled the finish. I need to go back and see how I feel about it as a whole, now knowing what is coming.

But setting PIC aside, I agree that DSC had the most solidly entertaining first season since TOS. All the others (except for TAS!), I bailed on during the first season, only coming back later, sometimes years later. DSC was the first one since TOS/TAS that had me hanging on each episode right from the get-go. Is it perfect? No. But it's been a blast.

 

[Kpnuts]

But it's been a blast.

Discovery appeals to the modern day audience who worship predictable "It's been a blast" Marvel films I guess. Lots of pew pew and epic action, just without the likeable characters, decent writing and grand plan.

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery appeals to the modern day audience who worship predictable "It's been a blast" Marvel films I guess. Lots of pew pew and epic action, just without the likeable characters, decent writing and grand plan.

So what about those of us who do not like the Marvel films and find the characters on Discovery interesting and engaging?

As much as there seems to be a need for broad stroke brushing of audiences Discovery's action scenes are not the main appeal for me-the characters are.

 

[Spot261]

Discovery appeals to the modern day audience who worship predictable "It's been a blast" Marvel films I guess. Lots of pew pew and epic action, just without the likeable characters, decent writing and grand plan.

You imagine TOS had a grand plan?

 

[fireproof78]

You imagine TOS had a grand plan?

Again. If New Trek does it then it is bad.

 

[Vger23]

Discovery appeals to the modern day audience who worship predictable "It's been a blast" Marvel films I guess. Lots of pew pew and epic action, just without the likeable characters, decent writing and grand plan.

Way to generalize / marginalize the fans who think differently than you.

For the record, I don't care for most / any of the Marvel movies or modern blockbusters. I do, however, care about Star Trek. And I have for 40 years. I find the current interpretations to be very satisfying.

I can't get people's need to have their own tastes and opinions rationalized or justified like this. I really don't. It's not enough that you have an opinion on something as simple and unimportant as a TV show....but you have to go through massive mental gyrations to prove to yourself that your way of thinking is "right" and others are "wrong." It's really weird, man...because

1. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't.
2. Who gives a shit what someone else thinks if YOU don't like it? Why are the people who disagree deserving of being lumped into a reductive category ("they only like pew pew and stoopid stories I guess haha lolz")

But, I guess if that's what you need to do to feel better....then it is what it is.

 

[Gepard]

You imagine TOS had a grand plan?

Again. If New Trek does it then it is bad.

oldTrek wasn't heavily serialized, though. I'd love to go back to semi- or even entirely episodic Trek that doesn't need any damn "plans."

 

[fireproof78]

oldTrek wasn't heavily serialized, though. I'd love to go back to semi- or even entirely episodic Trek that doesn't need any damn "plans."

Ok. But, even when there were serialized plots in Trek there wasn't always a plan.

So, I stand by my statement.

 

[Vger23]

Ok. But, even when there were serialized plots in Trek there wasn't always a plan.

So, I stand by my statement.

They didn't know the ending of "Best of Both Worlds" when they wrote part 1.

 

[fireproof78]

They didn't know the ending of "Best of Both Worlds" when they wrote part 1.

Nope. In fact, it wasn't known if Stewart was coming back so it was very open ended.

 

[Kpnuts]

You imagine TOS had a grand plan?

More than Discovery has, ever since Frakes has said season 3 will be yet another tonal shift.

I'm not talking about storylines, I'm talking about them knowing what they want the show to be. But then when you have seventeen executive producers, it's probably hard to get a singular driving voice.

 

[Kpnuts]

but you have to go through massive mental gyrations to prove to yourself that your way of thinking is "right" and others are "wrong." It's really weird, man...because

I'm stating my opinion, on a message board meant for opinions. No need to read so much into it.

Another opinion...People like @fireproof78 saying they enjoyed season 1 because of the characters, I genuinely can't relate to that, because the characters seemed to be the last on the priority list for the show-runners. Doesn't help that I find the entire cast unlikeable but that's subjective taste.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm going to bet there is a show you relate to characters and don't enjoy being pigeonholed in to "just liking action."

 

[Nyotarules]

Its not the best for me, I put it in third place

TOS
PIC
DIS
DS9
TNG
ENT
VOY
TAS

 

[Vger23]

I'm stating my opinion, on a message board meant for opinions. No need to read so much into it.

Another opinion...People like @fireproof78 saying they enjoyed season 1 because of the characters, I genuinely can't relate to that, because the characters seemed to be the last on the priority list for the show-runners. Doesn't help that I find the entire cast unlikeable but that's subjective taste.

I'm actually not reading into anything. I'm just dealing directly with what you said. It's not an inference or "reading between the lines." You were trying to devalue the opinions of people who don't agree with your perspective by rationalizing that they only like DSC because "they like action/pew pew entertainment," because you mistakenly believe it inflates and legitimizes your position.

I was simply calling you out for the bullshit. Not personal, just an exchange of opinions and philosophies, so no worries!

 

[donners22]

I'd have TOS ahead of it, since that had some bona fide classics. Disco was the more consistently good show, but never quite managed those highs.

I certainly prefer it over the first season of any other Trek series, though.

Discovery appeals to the modern day audience who worship predictable "It's been a blast" Marvel films I guess. Lots of pew pew and epic action, just without the likeable characters, decent writing and grand plan.

No more than TNG appeals to an audience which prefers a safe, predictable and bland comfort-food show, which will ignore the constant cop-out technobabble solutions, lifeless characters and tropes driven into the ground.

It is not a completely baseless take, but it's a shallow analysis couched in such a way as to patronise and dismiss those who have a different view.

 

[Kpnuts]

I was simply calling you out for the bullshit. Not personal, just an exchange of opinions and philosophies, so no worries!

Calling me out? You were stating your opinion, I was stating mine. Simple.

 

[Spot261]

More than Discovery has, ever since Frakes has said season 3 will be yet another tonal shift.

I'm not talking about storylines, I'm talking about them knowing what they want the show to be. But then when you have seventeen executive producers, it's probably hard to get a singular driving voice.

So no tonal shifts between seasons 1 and 3 of TOS? Balance of Terror play out much like Spock's Brain?

 

[Kpnuts]

So no tonal shifts between seasons 1 and 3 of TOS? Balance of Terror play out much like Spock's Brain?

TOS is episodic in nature, which suits shifts in tone far better than Discovery's serialised story-telling.

TOS was also 50+ years ago, you'd hope television has come a fair way since then.

 

[Spot261]

More than Discovery has, ever since Frakes has said season 3 will be yet another tonal shift.

I'm not talking about storylines, I'm talking about them knowing what they want the show to be. But then when you have seventeen executive producers, it's probably hard to get a singular driving voice.

TOS is episodic in nature, which suits shifts in tone far better than Discovery's serialised story-telling.

TOS was also 50+ years ago, you'd hope television has come a fair way since then.

Which is it?

TOS had more of a grand plan or it was better suited to not having one?

TOS was a western in space, that was pretty much the concept summed up right there, TNG was a cold war political commentary in space. Beyond that there was an awful lot of making up as they went along.