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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x10 - "The Galactic Barrier"

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This was better than the previous episode, but still very much a mixed bag for me.

The Good:

The visuals were great. I also have no complaints about the Galactic Barrier whatsoever. Trek science.

IF they destroy Earth (without fakeout), it'll be a bold move. It might also lead to a less humanocentric makeup and depiction of SF/ the Federation, except for the fact that New Earth seems to be ready to take over, lol.

The tension held a bit better for me than last week, although the ship scenes were intercut with Tarka's scenes from the past.

Those scenes were very well acted. Kudos to both actors. I also liked that they kept it kind of open whether there was more than friendship or not; ultimately, does it matter?

The Dadmiral/ president scene was also great, both in content and acting. Those two are very well cast and I hope we won't have to part with one of them soon.

Kovich was even more intriguing as usual. Will we ever find out what's more important than the current, potentially galaxy-ending threat, or are they just teasing us?

My favorite slow burn romance felt better placed than last time. Poor Saru!

The President is still alive.

The Ugly:

We didn't find out anything really new from the Tarka/ Oros scenes.

In the previous ep thread, I wondered how many episodes were left, and the answer did not fill me with confidence. I get that they want to have the big confrontation in the end, but then they should have structured the season differently. Every episode since the hiatus feels like stalling. The first one was still an entertaining detour, for several reasons, but it's starting to grate. This is coming from someone who usually prefers any good drama or kammerspiel over action, so it's saying something.

So, of course now Book and Tarka have to pick up something else, again.

OK. Nobody thinks Burnham (and Nhan) failed in their mission when they could have stopped Book about 5 times. Yes, I expected it. No, doesn't make it better. At the very least, a mild chewing out by the Admiral would have been interesting, combined with a stern warning to not let their feelings cloud their judgment this time around.

And I appreciate that they're trying to give the bridge crew more to do (dramatic reaction shots again) but the Saru/ Bryce talk felt particularly inorganic.

The Burnham/ President scenes... I was fine with Burnham asking her not to be questioned in front of the crew. But as to the conflict about telling them ... Whatever may have been the right course of action, Burnham was right, and the president came to see the error of her ways. How nice would it be, for once, to see Burnham being convinced of another person's opinion? Then she went on to burnsplain leadership to our seasoned top diplomat and politician, who gladly accepted her superior wisdom and was happy to learn that the captain actually officially accepted her as her president.

In the first episodes of the season, it seemed the writers really heeded some of the constructive criticism. But now... I guess the just can't help themselves. They don't trust their protagonist enough to show her as flawed or even just being in the wrong and realize it, for once.

Small thing: Anthony's acting seemed a tad off to me.

Big thing: I feared Rillek might bite the dust at the end of the season as soon as I saw her scene with the admiral in the sneak peek. We even got personal background from her this time around! She might as well be the young soldier in a war movie who shows his mates pictures of his fiancée right before the big battle... On the plus side, she might get a nice parting speech about Burnham's awesomeness. The actress would certainly rock it.

All this after this season had actully been shaping up to be my favorite one. Oh well.

6/ 10
 
Some people here must have been in attention-span hell when seasons were 26 episodes long and the Dominion War storyline took five seasons to tell.

A good thing the Year Of Hell only took two episodes instead of a full season, or your heads would have exploded.

I, for one, am glad we got as many as 13 episodes of Discovery and a few episodes of "getting there" are just fine with me.
Quite the contrary, actually. Maybe an even better example, as it was more serialized, would be the first 4 seasons of Babylon 5. Both had, of course, their weaker moments , but all in all they worked for me. It's not about the length of a story, it's about the way it is told. People's mileage varies, ofc.
 
Yes. the overall Dominion arc spanned multiple seasons but each individual DS9 episode told a self-contained story that was really good and engaging. There were a few clunkers but most episodes of DS9 were really good by themselves. I think people don't mind long arcs if each episode is really good.

IDK, the complaining about a 13 episode season "taking too long to get to the 10-C" is pretty ridiculous to me.

Not every show is go-go-go with a short season (like say, Orphan Black)
 
Kovich was even more intriguing as usual. Will we ever find out what's more important than the current, potentially galaxy-ending threat, or are they just teasing us?

Kovich is already working on the galaxy-ending threat of season 5. The rest of us will get looped in starting with the last scene of season 4. :bolian:

IDK, the complaining about a 13 episode season "taking too long to get to the 10-C" is pretty ridiculous to me.

Well, because you want to actually spend some time with the antagonist. That's generally the meatiest part of the story. It's not that 10 episodes is too long to get there, it's that 3 episodes is too short to fully explore what's been teased and setup.

Though personally I think the DMA/10C could still end up being a right-sized story for the amount of episodes, depending how it lands. But it's reasonable to be skeptical, given that prior Disco seasons have struggled with this, carried more plot than they could properly service, and then rushed the endings.
 
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Yes, especially when it wasn't used as such during the 24th Century shows....
 
Kirk made it through the barrier four times on about 5 minutes each. It was pretty routine by the Kelvan incursion. Discovery took an episode. All I ask is one or two filler lines laying that out - “it’s much worse here near the 10C”.

I enjoy a good character study as well as anyone but that was a LOT of time on a minor player. Tarka friend better be in charge of the 10c or this is quite unneeded.

They must have created that complex makeup so we see him again.
Then I recommend paying better attention because there was dialogue indicating that the barrier was significantly stronger in this area then they anticipated.
 
It would be a bold move, and IMHO correct insofar as it would make the Federation finally "move beyond" its founding worlds.

That said, destroying the Earth in the far future would piss off a huge section of Trek fandom, who would (for some asinine reason) decide that a "bad ending" invalidates everything that came before. Much as there were many who complained the "no Federation" at the start of Season 3 implied that the whole thing was futile.

I am not unsympathetic to that complaint. I'd prefer severe environmental/atmospheric damage, but allowing the population to escape mostly intact. That way they can have their "New Earth" and the original can be slowly repaired, but perhaps not within the lifetime of these characters. As we learned from Thor, Asgard isn't a place, it's a people.

A Gilligan's Island reference on Star Trek. Now I've seen it all.

Hey don't forget the motto on the dedication plaque of the USS Brattain "...a three hour tour, a three hour tour". I'm sort of surprised we never got an overt reference on Voyager.
 
Aren't there ancient proverbs we still use today?

I am sorry but I am with those requesting some epps get cut. I am tired of being given bite sized story advancements every week. It isn't fulfilling for me.

Perhaps cutting some fat will tighten up the story telling. The other shows are doing fine with less so DISC can to, imo.

Good thing next week starts a trilogy of weeks with both a DISC and PICD episode because, despite all the Trek I am still dying to watch some Trek.

ETA I have amended my opinion of this episode, Here is a copy of my amendment made in post #151 on page 8 ahead.

Hat in my hand moment.

I just watched it again and liked it much more than the first time. Maybe it was caffeine or just plain, simple impatience, but during the second time, with all the pressure off to get the GB, I was able to slow down and get into the moments proper resulting in a much better, classic even, Star Trek experience.

I got chills comparing the DMA to today's world events. Oros and Tarka's story was an emotional gut punch.

Glad I had not voted yet cause I am raising it to 8.5

I recommend everyone who felt like I did to try it again, see if it doesn't play better the second time.
 
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I'm quite happy that Gilligan's Island quote sailed right over my head as I never watched the show!
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What's really shocking about Gilligan's Island is that if you look closely at The Minnow departing Hawaii at the 18 second mark you can clearly see that there are eight people on the ship. Meaning, of course, that someone got blown over during the storm and they never mentioned or thought about him again.
 
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What's really shocking about Gilligan's Island is that if you look closely at The Minnow departing Hawaii at the 18 second mark you can clearly see that there are eight people on the ship. Meaning, of course, that someone got blown over during the storm and they never mentioned or thought about him again.

It was only cousin Oliver. That was kinda his thing, disappearing without a trace.
 
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