I'm kind of proud of the job we've done. We're going to be ready to transport up...
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x09 - "Rubicon"
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Nobody respects someone who chokes at a critical moment. 
It is.
It seems that some folks are assuming that the Discovery will actually be flying through the Galactic Barrier instead of just jumping to the other side.
I'm pretty sure that Star Fleet is very aware of the consequences of doing the former thanks to a certain 23rd century captain.
I'm pretty sure that Star Fleet is very aware of the consequences of doing the former thanks to a certain 23rd century captain.
As long as we can see it!
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Things went so south they hit the galactic barrier in this topic.
There are so many references in there I got lost somewhere between Seattle and Coeur D'Alene. Did we start talking about Small Wonder?
The more I'm thinking about this episode, the less I'm liking it. The low-stakes indifference of that ending, the complete lack of response to the enormity of their failure, really retroactively takes the air out of the whole thing.
One of the things I really liked in the earlier part of season 4 is that this secrecy element seemed to have gone out the window, and the show was so much the better for it. I was so thrown when it was mentioned again here.
I think for the Discovery audience, there's much greater emotional investment in Kwejian than in most alternatives. We've never even seen a Denobulan on this show, and we've only had throwaway incidental Tellarites.
Kwejian was also such a great manifestation of the Disco ethos. During the premiere this year, I didn't realize the planet was about to be destroyed because I was too distracted thinking what perfect signature aliens the Kwejian were for Discovery (diverse, all about positivity and connection, human-looking to shield them from incompetent makeup design, etc).
I have been wondering a lot which planet we've been spending time with (or placing supporting characters on) will end up in the crosshairs for the climax...
-- Trill
-- Kaminar
-- Ni'Var
-- Earth?
Though these posts make me realize --
And if they do go that route, they've really done the work to make it super effective. I'm a sucker for the "cutaway to imperiled civilians" device (Yorktown hysteria in "Star Trek Beyond"! Amanda in '09 "Star Trek"! The Lapeerians in "First First Contact"!). I think I will totally freak out -- in the best way -- if the finale is intercuts of imperiled T'Rina on Ni'Var, Su'Kal on Kaminar, Gray on Trill...
Another thing I loved about the start of this season: promoting Burnham to captain finally resolved the long-running Disco problem of the plot always needing to be twisted into tortured knots to find ways to center her in every story.
Of course, as the season wore on, it turns out this problem did not totally go away, it was just passed to Book.
One of the things I really liked in the earlier part of season 4 is that this secrecy element seemed to have gone out the window, and the show was so much the better for it. I was so thrown when it was mentioned again here.
I think for the Discovery audience, there's much greater emotional investment in Kwejian than in most alternatives. We've never even seen a Denobulan on this show, and we've only had throwaway incidental Tellarites.
Kwejian was also such a great manifestation of the Disco ethos. During the premiere this year, I didn't realize the planet was about to be destroyed because I was too distracted thinking what perfect signature aliens the Kwejian were for Discovery (diverse, all about positivity and connection, human-looking to shield them from incompetent makeup design, etc).
I have been wondering a lot which planet we've been spending time with (or placing supporting characters on) will end up in the crosshairs for the climax...
-- Trill
-- Kaminar
-- Ni'Var
-- Earth?
Though these posts make me realize --
-- of course the answer is "all of the above"!
And if they do go that route, they've really done the work to make it super effective. I'm a sucker for the "cutaway to imperiled civilians" device (Yorktown hysteria in "Star Trek Beyond"! Amanda in '09 "Star Trek"! The Lapeerians in "First First Contact"!). I think I will totally freak out -- in the best way -- if the finale is intercuts of imperiled T'Rina on Ni'Var, Su'Kal on Kaminar, Gray on Trill...
Another thing I loved about the start of this season: promoting Burnham to captain finally resolved the long-running Disco problem of the plot always needing to be twisted into tortured knots to find ways to center her in every story.
Of course, as the season wore on, it turns out this problem did not totally go away, it was just passed to Book.
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I think once the Discovery production team see this thread there probably upon seeing this thinking: “Yeeeesssss Emotional drama-Book-Burnham” I could easily see it happening.
This is an example of how Discovery got worse over the seasons.
In S01E03 they did send the away team in tactical gear and with at least one security officer over to the USS Glenn.
They used the tactical gear in S1-S3 a lot.
Why was the communications officer and the tactical officer on the team? (Token screen time for the characters out of pity?)
Why was the away team not in 32nd-century tactical gear?
It is as if the mission was destined to fail, so no point in making 32nd-century tactical gear for the characters.
I have my own little theory:
Did you notice something about that away team?
All male.
They all had to be rescued by Michael Burnham and the (almost) all-female bridge team.
The men are falling over each other and on their knees in front of women.
Men prostrating towards Michael Burnham.
When Michael Burnham, said that she wouldn't lead the boarding team, that wasn't a smart command decision, that was part of the setup.
The boarding mission was destined to fail, and Michael Burnham can't fail! (unless it's a Xanatos gambit, like in S04E08)
Major Grin/Nitpicking nerd has entered the chat
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This is an example of how Discovery got worse over the seasons.
In S01E03 they did send the away team in tactical gear and with at least one security officer over to the USS Glenn.
They used the tactical gear in S1-S3 a lot.
Why was the communications officer and the tactical officer on the team? (Token screen time for the characters out of pity?)
Why was the away team not in 32nd-century tactical gear?
It is as if the mission was destined to fail, so no point in making 32nd-century tactical gear for the characters.
I have my own little theory:
Did you notice something about that away team?
All male.
They all had to be rescued by Michael Burnham and the (almost) all-female bridge team.
The men are falling over each other and on their knees in front of women.
Men prostrating towards Michael Burnham.
When Michael Burnham, said that she wouldn't lead the boarding team, that wasn't a smart command decision, that was part of the setup.
The boarding mission was destined to fail, and Michael Burnham can't fail! (unless it's a Xanatos gambit, like in S04E08)
You are really reaching to have something to complain about, and most everyone here knows my feelings on DSC.
BEHOLD...
is this photo a pre release photo?
No, it’s a rotated image from S03E04 Forget Me Not where Michael is in the sacred pools in the Caves of Mak'ala to help Adira sort out their issues connecting with the Tal symbiont.
Last time on Star Trek Discovery:
And now the continuation:
(which doesn't make any sense. I think the writers kinda forgot that Discovery had a cloak. I hope Major Grin makes a video about this.)
Seriously, this was a huge plot point in the last episode.
Discovery didn't approach the planet and didn't bring its full potential to bear, because they didn't want to upset some hillbillies. This didn't make much sense, because the life of billions of people are at risk. They still could approach under cloak.
And now the continuation:
(which doesn't make any sense. I think the writers kinda forgot that Discovery had a cloak. I hope Major Grin makes a video about this.)
Seriously, this was a huge plot point in the last episode.
Discovery didn't approach the planet and didn't bring its full potential to bear, because they didn't want to upset some hillbillies. This didn't make much sense, because the life of billions of people are at risk. They still could approach under cloak.
If some one does I'll be very disappointed. Are shields another technology that hasn't improved in over 900 years?
I agree. The failure should have been a terrible gut punch, and a reckoning for both Burnham and Nhan. If the writing acknowledged how wrong both were, this would have worked.
As for their indifference to it, I suspect that Nhan, like most of the crew, has fallen under the spell of Burnham -- and that Burnham is a sociopath!
Pity. Normally, I am against established characters going Fury, but I would make an exception for Michael Burnham. More than that, though, I just want her to actually get it wrong sometime, if you know what I mean.
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