Star Trek captains don't have a good history of romantic relationships lasting long. Book will either die stopping the aliens or at best be doomed to old captain flame irrelevance like Beverly Crusher.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x09 - "Rubicon"
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That's why I'm hoping DISCO will break that trend.
I want a happy ending for our Captain.
I want Michael Burnham x Booker Cleveland to work and for them to be married, have many children, etc.
So I take it Section 31 is finally gone? Because they totally would've just blown up Book's ship at the beginning and that would be that.
Also Saru's "Despite how we may feel about each other" line and then Bryce and Rhys glaring at each other. I thought they were supposed to be bros?
Also Saru's "Despite how we may feel about each other" line and then Bryce and Rhys glaring at each other. I thought they were supposed to be bros?
Or they could've been the ones helping Tarka and approve of the plan for whatever reason.
I would hope that they don't use nepotism to get Book a pardon.
I love Burnham and Book, they have good chemistry as lovers as well as friends or adversaries. But, please, no manufactured fairytale ending... Not just because of punishment, also because trust should be really hard to earn back.
Of course, knowing Trek, he'll turn around last minute, help save the universe, and somehow that will clear him of any wrongdoing beforehand.
I love Burnham and Book, they have good chemistry as lovers as well as friends or adversaries. But, please, no manufactured fairytale ending... Not just because of punishment, also because trust should be really hard to earn back.
Of course, knowing Trek, he'll turn around last minute, help save the universe, and somehow that will clear him of any wrongdoing beforehand.
When was that? Anyway, they've friendzoned Owo/ Detmer, so I can't imagine they'd have B&R be anything else but bros. I think the look was about them being conflicted wrt Book.
What I meant was the implication that Rhys and Bryce are mortal enemies now and always have been, when I never got that vibe at all and in fact the opposite.
If they go that way, I don't think nepotism will be the main factor. Do I think it'll have nothing to do with going easy on him? No. But I mainly think they'll go easy on him because -- guaranteed -- he'll either stop or help stop Tarka from doing whatever it is he'll do.
I do like that we're getting to see more of Tarka than we did of Osyraa. She got the short end of the stick, since S3 had to spend so many episodes getting DSC oriented to the 32nd Century, whereas with this season they were free to delve into the main story right from the start.
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I remember the scene now, and I took it as them being at odds about Book and how to deal with the DMA, but not a serious conflict.
Hey, over on Picard Jurati seems to have - literally - gotten away with murder.
Exactly. Not a fan of that shit.*
Insert 5 to 15 posts explaining to me that
a) Jurati wasn't herself and we don't need a trial to prove it
b) it's always been like that on Trek so it's not to be criticized
c)...
*meaning the getting away, not the show!
I suspect that there's a mind control legal defense involved. We saw in Voyager that Tuvok can literally mind meld people into becoming Maquis. In light of that, Fed law may say it wasn't Jurati's fault.
I'd be more wondering why trained Romulans and evil Vulcans don't just do this to everyone. Sybok should've done that instead of that feel your pain routine he had going.
Because I keep wondering if the Disco writers will come out with something more meaningful and approach a situation with more common sense... and when they don't, they keep surprising me with how dumb of an approach they take.
I guess that's one thing they're good at.
I agree, but may I ask how is that reply relevant to having 2 captains on the same ship?
It was a nice snetiment, but grossly out of place given they were effectively on opposing sides.
Agreed. Alien data apparently has no issues overwriting or influencing SF ship systems/OS, but the reverse apparently cannot do the same.
Although, to be fair, UFP OS was written to be friendly and understandable by most probably because it incorporated hundreds of different alien species.
This is a benefit and openness of UFP, but it could also be a flaw when dealing with aliens or code that has has a more 'assertive' programming.
SF should have really learned to protect their OS by this point. But the SPhere Data also worked with information and languages of species that existed across 100 000 years... and to be fair, this would have its advantages, but in fairness, UFP by the 24th century already would have also had extrapolation capabilities which would be able to take new languages and learn from them in a proverbial instant.
Perhaps the 23rd century Disco computer systems were more vulnerable because UFP was effectively smaller at that point in time with less probabilistic extrapolation algorithms?
This is the thing Trek is in dire need of fixing. There are always ways to work with advanced tech and I'm sorely disappointed that Disco's 'team of writers' seem to be clueless about how to do this properly (especially when there is a TON of solid material out there to draw inspiration from).
Clever analogy. Never saw Naruto myself, but I also kinda liked that teleport fight.
Actually, Tarka is not from the Prime Trek universe (the one he is presently living in). I think he clearly said he comes from a different/alternate universe in which the Burn never happened... but the details on this are mixed. I'll have to rewatch these episodes again.
That... actually makes sense.
But, I think Booker is still liable because he's been working with Starfleet and living on their ship.
Tarka... pretty much can be punished in lots of ways.
Book can probably still be held liable to a degree for his actions because he stole UFP property.
Correct... but again, that doesn't explain on where the heck are the SCHEMATICS and research data on the Spore Drive v2 prototype to begin with?
That data would have to exist in SF/s database, so making a huge deal as if SF cannot make another one without the prototype is literally insane.
The schematics for the working prototype exist in the database. Just whip it out by whoever has the authority and replicate it en mass for testing.
Indeed... but even by the 24th century computers already advanced to the point where artificial brains were a thing.
So, the spore drive would have worked with that.
Disco S1 clearly stated that Disco computer systems were too slow for making needed calculations for long distance jumps but that shorter jumps were doable.
Even with shorter jumps being done constantly by a computer, SF could have an adaptive algorithm record where the issues arise (at which distances) and build better computers specifically to accommodate for that task.
In fact, I'd even go as far to say that computer controlled Spore Drive (no bio navigator needed) would have been solved realistically in 10 to 20 odd years... possibly a bit more.
This 'living navigator' nonsense is really getting on my nerves... 32nd century tech should be WAY ahead of what's needed to operate the Spore Drive without a living navigator... what with all that talk about how tech advanced in the 930 years and all... everyone's all talk but no substance on this matter.
It would be good for Book to make a u-turn and save the day, BUT for there to be reprecussions of his previous actions for stealing the Spore Drive prototype and colluding to destroy the DMA which belongs to a FAR more advanced species.
I don't see how Jurati has gotten away with murder. She was going to turn herself in when they arrived at DS11, that's where they were heading when the season ended. Let them tell the damn story and stop making assumptions.
Has everyone forgotten that Geordie tried to kill a Klingon governor?
Has everyone forgotten that Geordie tried to kill a Klingon governor?
I almost felt robbed that Nahn didn't actually take command when Burnham was having her emotional moment just before Stamets MIRACULOUSLY sent the good news to Burnham. Like...it almost felt like a Super Bowl moment where you lose the game. I wanted a more commanding officer to take command, and Nahn seemed like that person to do it. I am so done with the saccharine levels of emotion with this show that ACTUALLY INTERFERES IN THE OPERATION OF THE SHIP! Nahn was totally right in this episode and I really was tired of the coddling going on with this emotionally unstable crew.
Well, Jurati's and Geordi's cases are a product of being brainwashed by Romulan agents into doing those actions. None of them were their own fault.
However, the way Jurati behaved was she refused to be taken into custody immediately and instead dictated to the crew she will turn herself in.
I mean, you became aware you were forced into doing something you don't want to by Romulans (effects of which could still be lingering) and you want to dictate terms on how you want to turn yourself in?
A bit weird.
Definitely! Extenuating circumstances, but still consequences. At the very least, no more cooperating with SF/ being on a SF ship.
I've been over the Jurati issue here at least 5 times, I'm fine to agree to disagree.
Yes, they were conveniently distracted from going to trial, so maybe they kinda do that with Book, too. But DSC has been good with subverting some tropes recently, maybe they manage to surprise me again!
A couple of eps ago I thought they might kill him off, but I don't believe that anymore.
Do we know how many episodes we get this season?
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I mean the episode could have been really good, but it was also extremely frustrating. Burnham and Nahn both failed in their mission when they had plenty of opportunities to stop Book and just flat out refused. Burnham's actions showed that she was the wrong person for this assignment and Nahn was also wrong for it. Book's ship was shooting at them with quantum torpedos and they still refused to take action. Burnham and Nahn not only endangered the lives they feel could be murdered by 10C if there is a disastrous first contact, they also put the entire crew at risk. Burnham made a comment that Book wouldn't be the one firing the quantum torpedos. Well what if she was wrong? Or what if Book was killed and no longer in control of the ship? She couldn't guarantee that wasn't the case. I think it would have made more sense if at some point they tried to destroy Book's ship but him and Tarka had identified and fixed that weakness.
Also, when the ships were jumping closer to the DMA control device and after Discovery was hit by the quantum torpedos, why did Book stop jumping and was no longer attempting to carry out his mission? I can forgive this though as Book being pissed and wanting to make sure Discovery wasn't too damaged to jump away if needed but it should have shown this. I mean they have back and forth jumps and then they just stop to give Burnham time to talk to Nahn, get into a shuttle, fly to Book's ship.
The last 3 episodes were also about how trying to destroy the DMA would be disastrous and could lead to retribution, yet everyone seemed fine after the explosion and not worried about what would happen in the slightest. Burnham and Nahn were smiling and having a heart to heart, Saru was thinking about his love life. I expected a scene with Vance and the President chewing out Burnham and Nahn for their failure. The last line about having made first contact when the DMA reappeared also seemed off. Didn't they make first contact when they tried to blow up the control device?
Also, when the ships were jumping closer to the DMA control device and after Discovery was hit by the quantum torpedos, why did Book stop jumping and was no longer attempting to carry out his mission? I can forgive this though as Book being pissed and wanting to make sure Discovery wasn't too damaged to jump away if needed but it should have shown this. I mean they have back and forth jumps and then they just stop to give Burnham time to talk to Nahn, get into a shuttle, fly to Book's ship.
The last 3 episodes were also about how trying to destroy the DMA would be disastrous and could lead to retribution, yet everyone seemed fine after the explosion and not worried about what would happen in the slightest. Burnham and Nahn were smiling and having a heart to heart, Saru was thinking about his love life. I expected a scene with Vance and the President chewing out Burnham and Nahn for their failure. The last line about having made first contact when the DMA reappeared also seemed off. Didn't they make first contact when they tried to blow up the control device?
And even Nhan was way too soft because of her past connection to Burnham.
Vance: We called on all temporal, cloning, and synth resurrection favors for this one Captain Burnham. Your new officer will put you in your place and then some. Let me present...
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