Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x08 - "All In"
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I like how the shapeshifter may have been mimicking a Xindi-Insectoid at the beginning.
Well, Omega is classified info that Captains can only divulge when an Omega particle is present.
A classic pool shark tactic to maximize the wins. She went from 2-1 to 45-1 so they can collect the most money in the shortest time
I gave it an 8.
I liked that for once in Trek, they showed an underworld broker who DOESN'T immediately try to screw over his clients - the way he was treating everyone and making deals that he stuck to (something someone in his line of work WOULD do to 'stay in business' was a refreshing change from the too oft used Trek trope of "Blackmarket dealer always with a BIG ulterior motive" bit.
Liked how Casino was hidden - so yeah, it was also not the usual 'obvious, but still somehow no one but a few really know it's here' routine of past Treks too.
Liked that Burnham and company got called out for scamming the fight club; and how they took care of it.
Liked the whole situation that yeah, two fugitives were there; but yeah The Federation doesn't have jurisdiction everywhere; so know they can't just drag the two off; and also the even the Blackmarket dealer sees more benefit of NOT just turning said fugitives over.
For me, the weakest point was how Burnham just brattled off 'Boramite' or whatever the suddenly 'magical' space element is that will allow these aliens to power their protection field - that just seemed to come out of left field because the plot demanded it at this point. Also, you'd think that a race using such a destructive force in an attempt to power something that allows them to hide would at least try to program it so it doesn't just destroy inhabited worlds and possibly draw attention to themselves in that way.
So yeah, I hope we don't end up with the usual "Godlike beings didn't realize they were stepping on ants, but promise to do better..." bit at the end - but yeah, given past seasons; the writing staff doesn't ever appear able to stick the landing/have a satisfying conclusion to date.
Hoppe I'm wrong and they surprise me this season.
I liked that for once in Trek, they showed an underworld broker who DOESN'T immediately try to screw over his clients - the way he was treating everyone and making deals that he stuck to (something someone in his line of work WOULD do to 'stay in business' was a refreshing change from the too oft used Trek trope of "Blackmarket dealer always with a BIG ulterior motive" bit.
Liked how Casino was hidden - so yeah, it was also not the usual 'obvious, but still somehow no one but a few really know it's here' routine of past Treks too.
Liked that Burnham and company got called out for scamming the fight club; and how they took care of it.
Liked the whole situation that yeah, two fugitives were there; but yeah The Federation doesn't have jurisdiction everywhere; so know they can't just drag the two off; and also the even the Blackmarket dealer sees more benefit of NOT just turning said fugitives over.
For me, the weakest point was how Burnham just brattled off 'Boramite' or whatever the suddenly 'magical' space element is that will allow these aliens to power their protection field - that just seemed to come out of left field because the plot demanded it at this point. Also, you'd think that a race using such a destructive force in an attempt to power something that allows them to hide would at least try to program it so it doesn't just destroy inhabited worlds and possibly draw attention to themselves in that way.
So yeah, I hope we don't end up with the usual "Godlike beings didn't realize they were stepping on ants, but promise to do better..." bit at the end - but yeah, given past seasons; the writing staff doesn't ever appear able to stick the landing/have a satisfying conclusion to date.
Hoppe I'm wrong and they surprise me this season.
It's a bizarre choice given that CGI is so much better now or you could just use a different Xindi species.
Of course there is the theory that Xindi have now cross breed into many forms which I like.
Well, actually, the knowledge of Omega extends beyond SF captains.
To quote Janeway:
"Only starship captains and Federation Flag Officers have been briefed on the nature of this threat."
Federation Flag Officers could also imply Admirals and whoever is the UFP president at the time (sworn to secrecy about this particular information).
Bearing in mind, this was in effect for late 24th century.
Things could have also changed significantly by the 32nd century. The information could have been declassified as technology and science evolved (plus VOY actually developed the harmonic resonance chamber which DID manage to actually contain and control Omega without issues - so the UFP effectively had the ability to tame Omega since the late 24th century if they decided to pursue new research into creating one), and its possible that UFP may have even RELAXED regulations regarding the Omega molecule in the proceeding centuries.
Also, Vance, Burnham and Saru would probably have to have the knowledge of Omega (even if what Janeway said in the late 24th century was still in effect) and could have mentioned it separately to the President or each other at least.
But to me, Boromite seems like a prime candidate for making an Omega Molecule... but admittedly, since it was said that
Anyway, a G-Type star like our own would provide about 31 million times more energy output than a single Galaxy class Warp core in late 24th century (according to TNG episode 'True Q').
And while we also don't know whether Warp cores would have improved to a level where one would equal the power of an actual G Type star in 800 odd years since the late 24th century (I mean, the law of accelerating returns would certainly suggest that... but it also suggests that Warp cores in term of M/AM and dilithium would have been abandoned LONG ago, and the UFP would have had drastically different and more powerful energy sources powering their ships and general technology), and given the paltry state of development of the 32nd century (which was utterly unncessary and something far more imaginitive could have been created to illustrate a more realistic 930 years in regards to passage of time within Trek), I doubt a single Warp core on a 32nd century UFP ship would rival energy output of an actual Star (mind you, it really SHOULD - and then some... but it probably doesn't).
That also doesn't take into account whether the star that species planet orbits is a G-Type or even a Blue giant.
A blue giant has up to 10 000 times more luminosity compared to a G type star.
So, I'm thinking this species might be using an energy equivalent of a Dyson Sphere to power their planet and general technology within their star system (something the UFP would have already been capable of in the late 24th century)... whereas the anomaly itself could be powered by Omega Molecules (for example).
I've got to say I like the way they low-key reintroduced the Changelings. Could be an Easter Egg, and probably is, but the door is open now.
Its possible they exhausted their solar system and anything in a certain radius of Boronite right up until the Burn was fixed.
Remember that their location was also stated to be BEYOND the Great Barrier. So, this would imply OUTSIDE the Milky Way galaxy or just at its edge (there may solar systems there in Trek universe that are sitting just outsdie the barrier... or this species is located in a dwarf galaxy near the Milky Way - some 45 000 ly's away).
The may have decided to expand operations inside the Milky Way galaxy... but given their suggested status as a much more advanced species compared to the Federation, you'd think they would have noticed signs of life in the Milky Way... or they may not classify carbon based life as life?
That was an interesting turn of events indeed.
I presented a thought back in S3 that Grudge was actually a changeling in disguise.
Anyway, it will be interesting if we will get a bigger showing from the Changelings in Disco... but we also don't know whether this changeling is one of the Founders belonging to the Dominion, or one of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant shapeshifters.
Just go all the way and have Book die screaming Captain Ahab quotes ("You haven't experienced Melville unless you read it in the original Kweijian") while getting killed painfully by a TOS planet killer made by the same species as the DMA. I mean this whole season is just a remake of the Doomsday Machine right?
Book can even shout "From Hell's heart, ...I stab at thee. For hate's sake I spit my last breath ...at thee!" because it wouldn't be Star Trek without another Khan reference (or is it still just a Moby Dick reference?)
Book: This is not about revenge!
Burnham: Liar!
Book: This is about saving the future of the galaxy!
Burnham: Book, let me talk to the *beeping* aliens!
Book: No! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
It's still just a Moby Dick reference.
Ok, with the last few episodes I’m definitely getting the impression that the writers are trying to make a thin plot fill a whole season in expectancy of what will be hopefully a fantastic two parter season finale.
So much for shorter seasons with no fillers: almost the whole episode felt filler, with very few things interesting or consequential.
As in the last episode, the interesting parts happen at the very end, as if they wrote those first and then found themselves with 40 minutes to fill.
Oh well, nice to see a changeling, but there is basically nothing explained about his presence there, how he was cheating or even why he started running when he did. Got a chuckle when he turned into a tribble at least!
Basically the only redeeming point of the episode is that it gives something more to do to Owo. Too bad it’s a mindless fist-fight with no tactics in it, a far cry from the splendid choreography of season 3. I guess that Owo forgot her martial arts training, apart from that ludicrous move she uses at the end (really, what was that? If there is a Master Ken in the 32th century he got to see this).
7, but only because more Owo and because Michael didn’t waste a lot of time without a plan as it originally appeared.
And the president and admiral are splendid as always, at least.
So much for shorter seasons with no fillers: almost the whole episode felt filler, with very few things interesting or consequential.
As in the last episode, the interesting parts happen at the very end, as if they wrote those first and then found themselves with 40 minutes to fill.
Oh well, nice to see a changeling, but there is basically nothing explained about his presence there, how he was cheating or even why he started running when he did. Got a chuckle when he turned into a tribble at least!
Basically the only redeeming point of the episode is that it gives something more to do to Owo. Too bad it’s a mindless fist-fight with no tactics in it, a far cry from the splendid choreography of season 3. I guess that Owo forgot her martial arts training, apart from that ludicrous move she uses at the end (really, what was that? If there is a Master Ken in the 32th century he got to see this).
7, but only because more Owo and because Michael didn’t waste a lot of time without a plan as it originally appeared.
And the president and admiral are splendid as always, at least.
Because we have new technologies now and modern audiences wouldn't accept goo! Also Data said '79!
Ehhhh, I'd rather they not go down the "exotic species so alien they don't recognise us as lifeforms" path. I'd rather we learn 10-C are fully cognizant of the lives mowed down in their mining operations, but are simply indifferent. No misunderstandings or whoopsies ala. Kelpian lad blowing up the galaxy's dilithium. These guys are the real deal and aren't concerned how many anthills they knock over. YMMV.
Anyway, what race do we know of that covets omega and wouldn't bat an eyelid at killing millions to mine the base mineral, hmmm?
Overall, a fairly middling offering for a Discovery episode. I do hope this is it for Burnham and Book. If it is, then I'd wager his days are numbered. Perhaps Book + empathic powers + spore drive + noble sacrifice are the key to neutralising 10-C. Book lays down his life for love.
I seem to remember they mentioning the borg a few episodes ago, saying they are not involved.Anyway, what race do we know of that covets omega and wouldn't bat an eyelid at killing millions to mine the base mineral, hmmm?
Also, the borg are pretty much Picard territory these days, LDS might thread on them lightly but I seriously doubt they’ll appear on discovery until Picard wraps.
Dust is so much more modern than goo
Dust is way more modern than goo. Now slime, slime is more modern than dust.
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