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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x08 - "All In"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 10 7.4%
  • 9

    Votes: 11 8.1%
  • 8

    Votes: 44 32.6%
  • 7

    Votes: 31 23.0%
  • 6

    Votes: 18 13.3%
  • 5

    Votes: 14 10.4%
  • 4

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • 3

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • 2

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • 1 - Terrible.

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • Total voters
    135
Not the best, not the worst. Tarka's probably the highlight of the episode. It sometimes felt like the other character were sleepwalking through their scenes this episode, but then he injects a little life into the whole affair. Good actor, interesting character, hope he sticks around.
 
This episode was chock-ful of Easter eggs and obscure references. I don't envy the task of Memory Alpha editors when writing pages for this one. For once, I would like for them to end the past references to Michael and Book's adventures. Throwing up names of places when coming up with their plans has become annoying.

After experiencing the better writing and characterization with Prodigy, this episode is a bit of a deflated balloon for me. When TV was serialized, there was the habit in some shows for the main characters to be in a, will they commit or will they not commit to a relationship? conundrum. It got old very fast. Now, I am feeling the same exhaustion with Booker and Michael's relationship - will they stay in or will they break-up? Make up your minds, dammit. One thing this episode does demonstrate is that Michael does not know Booker well, as he pointed out to her when describing their first encounter. He has a better read of her than she has of him.

To put the size of the anomaly in context, it is about the size of the inner system of the Sol system, which has in it four planets and a primary. It would extend beyond Mars and fall short of the closest asteroid in the asteroid belt. This thing is likened to a Faraday cage, which is an enclosed area shielded from electromagnetic fields.

Faraday cage - Wikipedia

I am skeptical if the aliens would attack if their mining equipment was destroyed. They seem to be protecting themselves if they created an artificial structure which blocks electromagnetic fields and are located in a remote area. It reminds me of the FED HQ which itself was protected by a cloaking shield and was in an area of space remote from dangers. Probably they would make another DMA.
 
A 6 this week, the weakest of the season by far. A shame really after a very solid year. But I agree with the people who said that the season wasn't designed to have a break, so damn you Covid for forcing the break! :thumbdown:

I was all excited seeing (or what definitely looked to me like) a changeling on the planet. :eek:

I don't think the episode needed a fight and a poker game in it. It just didn't flow very well. Though I did appreciate the beefy guy who was fighting. I also grinned that he was named Beefy Guy in the credits. :D

I did appreciate Burnham placing the tracker on Booker, and they all know where he is. However, the magnitude of the situation seems to have gone up. I hope the season returns to the more consistent version in regards to whoever is behind the DMA.
 
The fact the aliens seem to be mining Boronite suggested to me they created a whole bunch of Omega Molecules and are using them as a power source (I'm actually surprised no one mentioned it to the President).

But, my FIRST thought that came to mind was when they asked 'where would they get that kind of power'... well, they DO have a massive field that's over 1 AU large.
To me, that sounded suspiciously like a Dyson Sphere... or a 32nd century version of one.
A star has ridiculous amount of energy to begin with (far surpassing what you can get with a singular Warp core in the late 24th century - by just over 31 million times - sufficed to say that's a massive amount of power)... perhaps the aliens constructed their own version of a Dyson Swarm/Sphere but in the form of energy itself... which is accumulating power from their star and powering their equipment (I actually expected this to be done by the Federation in the 32nd century - on a galactic scale of course - but alas, I was disappointed).

EDIT: One thing I was annoyed about was how upset over the loss of a Spore Drive prototype everyone was.
Which is understandable of course and every effort should be made to return it, BUT... even if they don't, its not like they lost the data on the functional prototype itself and can't make another one.

Data like that would be kept sealed and constantly updated with every test right up until the point the thing was stolen.

At that point it would be a matter of replicating/manufacturing another one.

Something tells me the writers ignore these things to create this kind of drama intentionally.
Sure, make an uproar over a stolen piece of valuable prototype technology... but don't act like its the end of the world because you still have all the data on making the freaking thing in the first place and a few words to a computer would have been enough to replicate another exact replica of the functioning prototype in seconds.

The scene could have been made more poignant if they said all the data on the second generation Spore Drive prototype was erased (which would be quite a feat to do, because stuff like that would have multiple backups - in essence, it would be next to impossible in erasing it) - but since this wasn't their goal... its a moot point.
 
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Like others have said, not the best, not the worst. Not the strongest to come back from a break on. I did enjoy seeing Owo having something to do. And I do like Vance more and more we get to know about him. 6/10.
 
I had real mixed feelings about this week. The episode started off strongly I think, but it ultimately devolved into a set of clichés by the end.

I'll start out with what I liked first. Narratively speaking, I thought this was a tight episode. Tilly, Gray and (apparently temporarily) Adira being gone really helped to cut out the extraneous B/C plots which could have weighed the episode down and caused it to lose focus. There was one narratively unnecessary scene with Stamets and Culber, but I did enjoy it, since we got to see the shoe on the other foot with Culber being the anxious one. It's always good when character dynamics are mixed up. I also liked that after many previous weeks of overwrought emotionality, this episode was much more straightforward and dry.

I was in for the ride during the setup for this episode, but once it became clear that we were dealing with a "mob planet" I lost interest. I will say I was pleasantly surprised that Haz Mazaro wasn't really that much of a bastard, and played fair with both Michael and Book, but in the end he came across as a more boring Quark expy. Obviously water under the bridge, but he really felt like a character we should have met last season - obviously Michael and Book had a complicated relationship with him, and not being privy to this kind of makes the scenes not work well.

Then there's the fight scene. Look, I'm willing to look past a woman beating a man who is close to twice her body mass in a fight, since just about everyone does it now. I had no issue with Geogiou kicking dudes in the face until they were on the floor. But the fight choreography and the direction was awful. It reminded me of fights I saw in high school more than anything I've seen in an action movie. And I had no suspension of disbelief, because the plot pretty much required Owo to eventually win. I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish here.

The poker game was another misstep. Playing cards is one of those things which just looks boring, unless you're really into it. They really tried to liven it up with the interactions between the characters. But the fundamental reason card games work in fiction is the tension of not knowing who would win. As with the fight with Owo, it was always clear Book was going to win, because their plan relied upon getting the needed material, but there's still another five episodes to go.

I also don't know what they were thinking thrusting Michael and Book back together again right after pulling them apart. They needed at least an episode or two to be off doing their own things before meeting up again, to raise the stakes of the breakdown of their relationship. The episode seemed to imply that maybe this is splitsville for them, but it would have been so much better if they strung us along here at least.

On to arc work. I continue to note that it seems like the VFX team doesn't seem to understand what the Great Barrier being at the edge of the galaxy means. Maybe they don't understand what a galaxy is? None of the graphics really show a location outside after all. That last scene, while it does provide needed exposition about the creators of the DMA, really didn't fit tonally with the episode at all, which was about the breakdown in Michael and Book's relationship. It ruined the ending on a "sour note" that the episode should have had. The infodump should have been held over till next week.

So on the whole, meh? Star Trek has done crime stories way, way better than this, and it brought absolutely nothing to the table which made this side quest narratively worthwhile. It was just a mundane casino heist story with a tiny SF veneer on top.
 
I'm calling it now: Book's not making it out of this season. He'll either be dead or in prison. This is the tough choice Burnham will have to make that, at the beginning of the season, Rillak told Burnham she'd eventually have to face.
 
I liked this way more than I expected to. Burnham being funny and hamming it up, a shapeshifter, Owo kicks ass and gets more character development, we find out the DMA isn't even a weapon and Tarka and Book remain entertaining. A solid 9. One of the best of the entire year so far and above average for DSC.
 
The look for the visual FX changed, at least once, possible twice. It was always a gooish form, but the color and green of it changed. I would assume the change was done after Rob Legato left as the head of the department for DS9 and Dan Curry took over the full oversight of all of Trek. His work is later and less sharp visually.

In the same way I could always tell (on an episode with new ship shots) just on look if Legato or Curry was overseeing specific episodes of TNG. I always found the difference quite striking.

I wasn't surprised at all by the visual look of the TNG season 2 remaster as Curry was heavily involved in that, and it matched his style.
It's not the same thing as fundamental changes to the structure of a creature.
 
I'm calling it now: Book's not making it out of this season. He'll either be dead or in prison. This is the tough choice Burnham will have to make that, at the beginning of the season, Rillak told Burnham she'd eventually have to face.

I hope Book doesn't die or otherwise leave the series but if it has to happen it would up the dramatic stakes and make it personal, and that's something DSC needs to do more of. Personal tragedies on a small scale that hit home for one character and less of the galaxy-threatening megadisasters. For once it'd be one life lost that changes a lead character and not a war or a time travel conundrum or galactic emergency.
 
Not the best, not the worst. Tarka's probably the highlight of the episode. It sometimes felt like the other character were sleepwalking through their scenes this episode, but then he injects a little life into the whole affair. Good actor, interesting character, hope he sticks around.
I really hope his tragic backstory is real too and not just some stunt that ends in panto villain reveal.
We don't need another Lorca
 
Sabacc. :O
I think you visited the wrong Star Franchise =D

Why did Owosekun waste her time trying to fight the brawler in the ring in a "Fair Fight"?

We all know the rules was to get them on the ground, and there was no other rules.

She should've just opened the match by punching/kicking him in the nuts.

The fact that she took so many losses, needlessly, was pointless.

I could understand how some of the other gamblers could see it as Owosekun rigging the fight / taking dives to drive up the odds and win the final match with blow-out odds.

That's a very common con-job / tactic in gambling on professional fights.
 
I kinda agree with everybody who says that this would be a much better watch without breaks or even a weekly release schedule. I have re-watched the first 7 episodes this week before episode 8 and it works so much better. But it will be a really great watch once the season is over. Until than, for me this was an enjoyable episode. With all the great Easter eggs for long time fans and a little bit step out of familiar territory, the story was moved forward. 9/10
 
I liked this episode overall, but I was properly AMAZED at how good the makeup for Haz Mazaro was. The terrible makeup is my great production frustration on this show -- a few isolated Saru & Airiam exceptions aside, it just fails constantly on levels of both aesthetics and functionality. But Haz looked great! And the makeup actually functioned, the actor could act and you could not visibly see it pulling away from his skin!

(God, it is a bit depressing that my comment is basically "the Discovery makeup team has demonstrated basic competence! Incredible! Bravo! Standing ovation! I never imagined I would see the day!")

The reveal that the DMA is a mining operation was great. The indifference of it is chilling.

Burnham as captain continues to delight.
 
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