Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x05 - "The Examples"

[Amaris]

Stamets clearly doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to natural phenomena disappearing and reappearing. Chalk it up to his smug, know-it-all attitude and hating to admit he's wrong.

It's funny because he uses the Mycelium network, a naturally occurring phenomenon, to instantly move from one part of the galaxy to another. Tardigrades can, apparently, do the same thing, and all of this just ignores how quantum entanglement works.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like Paul Stamets but he's everyone's good friend who acts like a know-it-all ass and has to be dragged into admitting he's wrong.

 

[Amaris]

I like Paul Stamets but he's everyone's good friend who acts like a know-it-all ass and has to be dragged into admitting he's wrong.

Doubly compounded that he truly is very intelligent, it's just admitting when he's wrong it becomes a sticky wicket.

 

[Noname Given]

These writers have a very shallow knowledge of Star Trek. Have they ever heard of unstable wormholes?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Barzan_wormhole




Exactly.
This is so stupid.
The writers are implying that technologies are violating the laws of physics.

Star Trek science has always been wonky. Star Trek has never been hard science fiction.

Take this exchange from TOS S3 - The Lights Of Zetar":
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/73.htm

SPOCK: All sensor readings are at maximum calibration.

SULU: Captain, it's approaching at warp factor two point six and accelerating.

KIRK: Check that. No natural phenomena can move faster than the speed of light.

SPOCK: It is definitely doing so, Captain. Therefore it cannot be a phenomenon of nature.

Yet, in Berman era Star Trek - specifically Enterprise S2 - "The Catwalk":

ARCHER: Captain Archer of the Starship Enterprise. Something we can do for you?

TAGRIM [on monitor]: Considering the circumstances, we would like permission to come aboard as soon as possible.

ARCHER: What circumstances?

TAGRIM [on monitor]: The neutronic wavefront. It's almost here.

TUCKER: Nothing on sensors.

TAGRIM [on monitor]: You should detect the storm in a few minutes. It's travelling at high warp. Once we're aboard, I suggest you go to warp seven immediately.

ARCHER: Our top speed is warp five.

So yeah, I guess even in the now lauded Berman era - Star Trek writers don't know Star Trek or science either...oh, wait...

My point? In EVERY Star Trek, they only pay attention to real science when it DOESN'T contradict something they need for their story/plot. True consistent and accurate depiction of science in Star Trek ? NEVER HAS HAPPENED.

So, yeah, this episode is indeed still classic Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

So yeah, I guess even in the now lauded Berman era - Star Trek writers don't know Star Trek or science either

They don't. Clearly

 

[Tuskin38]

The science in this season is seriously wonky.

So like, every Star Trek series ever?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Overall another decent episode which I seem to prefer in Disco to the episodes where they try do huge things.
I liked the welwala scientist. He had a real Wall Street coke head energy but Saru was dead right to stop him as it wasn't a last minute race against time and he could just do the experiment in a lab.

The DMU being a machine fills me with worry though as now we may have someone to shoot at for the big finale

 

[Amaris]

Overall another decent episode which I seem to prefer in Disco to the episodes where they try do huge things.
I liked the welwala scientist. He had a real Wall Street coke head energy but Saru was dead right to stop him as it wasn't a last minute race against time and he could just do the experiment in a lab.

The DMU being a machine fills me with worry though as now we may have someone to shoot at for the big finale

"Wall street coke head energy"

 

[Amaris]

So like, every Star Trek series ever?

Sorry, I missed this. Yeah, a lot of science in Trek can be wonky, I guess it's just more noticeable here because they're creating a season long arc using it, so it's like walking past a small display in a museum that's a little inaccurate, and standing in front of the giant room sized Tyrannosaurus Rex model with its head on its ass and not being able to notice anything else.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

‪‪I liked Burnham raising an eyebrow when she asked Zora about having developed emotions, as if to say “ooooohhhhkay,” and…

Spoiler: New Ready Room’s clip for the next episode

It seems like next week they’ll continue the story of Zora’s evolving sentience from the scene where they’re playing games in the lounge.

 

[Ketrick]

"Things don't just disappear then reappear elsewhere"

"Natural anomalies don't do that!"

"Doesn't that violate the laws of physics!"

I literally couldn't take this episode seriously after that start given it's exactly what the Graviton ellipse did...

I can excuse this. The sensors probably can scan subspace and even the mycelial network so while the dialogue doesn't mention it, they probably were able to eliminate the possibility that the DMA went into subspace, the mycelial network, et cetera. Don't forget in the 31st century Daniel's had technology which scanned time itself.

 

[Yistaan]

For a moment I thought we were going to have a paradox where Stamets and whatshisname outright end up creating the anomaly on Discovery when trying to mimic it.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I actually kinda liked Michael going off on the Magistrate at the end. Using Emerald Chain ways doesn't exactly make them species of the year candidates. Even Picard would have told him off, tho he might not have given the "examples" Federation protection.

For a moment I thought we were going to have a paradox where Stamets and whatshisname outright end up creating the anomaly on Discovery when trying to mimic it.

I can totally see that as an option here. Ruon Tarka is definitely not someone who's going to give up trying to create a "mini" DMA.

 

[Aragorn]

Little people know but the USS Janeway is named after the Ensign Janeway that was on TNG and went on to do great things in the Federation. Not of course the Tuvix murdering Captain Janeway.

If you serve onboard the USS Janeway and are not a close friend of the captain, you have to sign a waiver that acknowledges the captain will not break any orders or regulations or commit time travel to save you or bring you back to life.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm kind of not happy that we seem to get an implication of Rhys taking a larger role in the start of the episode with him leading the evacuation, and for it to again result in him getting not much more screen time than usual and the monologues and drama go to the forgettable "alien" of the week (you think New Trek would have the budget now to not just have these "aliens" look just like humans).

 

[fireproof78]

you think New Trek would have the budget now to not just have these "aliens" look just like humans

No I wouldn't. Largely because it's not just money but how much time is to be given to make up.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Sorry, I missed this. Yeah, a lot of science in Trek can be wonky, I guess it's just more noticeable here because they're creating a season long arc using it, so it's like walking past a small display in a museum that's a little inaccurate, and standing in front of the giant room sized Tyrannosaurus Rex model with its head on its ass and not being able to notice anything else.

You're watching a show where there is sound in space and completely unrelated alien species can breed and have viable offspring. Scientific inaccuracies is par for the course. Deal with it.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

So yeah, I guess even in the now lauded Berman era - Star Trek writers don't know Star Trek or science either...oh, wait...

My point? In EVERY Star Trek, they only pay attention to real science when it DOESN'T contradict something they need for their story/plot. True consistent and accurate depiction of science in Star Trek ? NEVER HAS HAPPENED.

Man, remember back in the day when Phil Farrand released all of those Nitpicker's Guide books? Each one had pages of errors and inconsistencies of every single episode of TOS, TNG, and DS9. And they were able to call them "nitpicker's guides" because dumb little physics and continuity issues were viewed as quibbles, not show-breaking criticisms. Those were the days...

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm kind of not happy that we seem to get an implication of Rhys taking a larger role in the start of the episode with him leading the evacuation, and for it to again result in him getting not much more screen time than usual and the monologues and drama go to the forgettable "alien" of the week (you think New Trek would have the budget now to not just have these "aliens" look just like humans).

The Akaali were previously depicted in Enterprise, so Discovery was just showing them how they first appeared.

Seriously, this show just can't win. When they change the alien makeup, people get upset and ask why they didn't keep it the same as 20 years ago. When they don't change the makeup, people ask why they haven't changed the makeup from 20 years ago.

 

[Yistaan]

The Akaali were previously depicted in Enterprise, so Discovery was just showing them how they first appeared.

Seriously, this show just can't win. When they change the alien makeup, people get upset and ask why they didn't keep it the same as 20 years ago. When they don't change the makeup, people ask why they haven't changed the makeup from 20 years ago.

To be fair, I didn't know about the Akaali or their Enterprise appearance and makeup.