Well, yeah, the show clearly shifted. I'm trying to take it on its own terms as it is right now. I still like it, even though it's not the same show it was during the first season. I just like it for different reasons.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x04 - "All Is Possible"
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The show has become respectable but kind of dull in the process, maybe mechanical is a better adjective. The Tilly storyline was well helmed but about as paint-by-numbers as it gets. I was trying to picture how that would've went if somehow we could've had Jett Reno instead. I'm a bit curious what they might be doing with Wiseman/Tilly upon her return.
I've said it before but I just don't care for Michael being in the captain's seat. It just feels off and as annoying as Mary Sue Burnham could be I think the character was more interesting as second.
That said, I've liked Culber ever since he came back from being a mushroom or whatever and he continues to grow on me even if Stamets has gone a bit downhill now that the spore drive is no longer a focus. I can't help but like Cronenberg even if I think of him as Cronenberg and not Kovich, sort of like Goldblum or Walken.
I've said it before but I just don't care for Michael being in the captain's seat. It just feels off and as annoying as Mary Sue Burnham could be I think the character was more interesting as second.
That said, I've liked Culber ever since he came back from being a mushroom or whatever and he continues to grow on me even if Stamets has gone a bit downhill now that the spore drive is no longer a focus. I can't help but like Cronenberg even if I think of him as Cronenberg and not Kovich, sort of like Goldblum or Walken.
I really liked this episode. I gave it a 9. I especially love the stuff on Ni'Var en was surprised to see Tilly leaving. She's my favourite on the show! So far, the first two episodes I found rather mediocre, but episode 3 and 4 have really made me like season 4 so far... Hopefully it can stay that way!
I read the brief comment about the blinking thing from last season. I recently re-watched the episode and it is clear to me that Kovich communicated how to disable the holograms to Georgiou. He blinked rapidly, she saw this, worked it out in her mind, and experimented with it.
I have noticed that the critics of Discovery often do not pay attention to details. (I am not free from this, as my mistake with Callum proves.) This blinking event is an example of this. I saw the following review and in the first 11 minutes the reviewer was wrong on three points.
I have noticed that the critics of Discovery often do not pay attention to details. (I am not free from this, as my mistake with Callum proves.) This blinking event is an example of this. I saw the following review and in the first 11 minutes the reviewer was wrong on three points.
It's interesting to watch I suppose knowing it's the first ever shuttle episode and probably a first for other tropes too.
It wasn't the first shuttle crash episode I saw though so at the time I thought it was boring. First one I saw is that annoying Wesley and Picard on Arrakis episode
A 10 for me.
Just wished that some representatives of the different factions were part of the negotiations and we heard their arguments.
Just wished that some representatives of the different factions were part of the negotiations and we heard their arguments.
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I agree, although at least making her the decision maker has stopped the endless loop of her going rogue. Making your main character a non decision maker requires a different kind of writing and Trek is too used to the central character being the captain, so they wrote it as though she was.
Agreed, Culber is my favourite character and the most overtly competent person on the show. He's just effortlessly good at his job and mature.
I don't even have a gif for how I'm feeling about that.
Was thinking the exact same thing, actually. You’re not the only one. Her non-verbal nervous reaction formations to things people say and do (especially Burnham) are definitely making me question her trustworthiness.
Then again, maybe it’s just that she’s simply a high-ranking politician and she had to necessarily develop a kind of political predatory attitude towards... well... everything, especially from living in the post-Burn world where they were under constant siege somewhere by the Emerald Chain and other enemies scavenging for resources.
If Chelah Horsdal is really playing to these different levels in her character, she’s truly an excellent actor.
I agree. When she's captain, she's just naturally the focus of the show. It's hard to write every episode where the ship and crew are doing one thing, and Burnham is off doing her own thing for whatever reason. Sometimes it worked but other times it felt really forced and it led to some extra eye rolls when Burnham always ended up being right (which usually meant whoever the captain was at the time was wrong). Things are much better now with her as captain, so when she ends up being right and saves the day, it's like "well yeah, that's why she's the captain". It just fits better.
I enjoyed it. I really like how they keep showing species from the original series (Tellarites and Orions). I enjoyed the whole Federation and Ni’Var problem but I expected it to take a couple of more episodes to resolve. Cool to see Dr. Culber going into more of a counselor role instead of CMO.
Don’t know if this was mentioned before but why did Mary leave? Is she expecting a child? I really like her character a lot so I was happy to see her say that Tilly will return in the Ready Room. Easy write out having her teach at Starfleet Academy and easy write back in when she’s ready to return.
While not perfect, I’m really enjoying this series and this season.
Don’t know if this was mentioned before but why did Mary leave? Is she expecting a child? I really like her character a lot so I was happy to see her say that Tilly will return in the Ready Room. Easy write out having her teach at Starfleet Academy and easy write back in when she’s ready to return.
While not perfect, I’m really enjoying this series and this season.
Because those are not attempting anything too new. Discovery attempted new and now is a pariah for it.
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Eh, kind of. To use the albatross allegory, an albatross is good luck for seagoing vessels until it's killed. That's where it becomes an albatross, or anchor, around the necks of the crew and starts their descent into bad luck. Lower Decks, Prodigy, et. al., they're using the show canon to make something a little newer, fresher, maybe, while sticking with the general formula. Tried and true success.
What Discovery is doing is taking that canon to get people into the show, but they've shot the albatross, and now they're in unknown waters, but still sticking to the old Trek tropes in the process, so that albatross is still around their necks, and likely will be for the series run. I don't like what they're doing, but then DSC has been hit or miss for me from the start. Sometimes it's really good, and sometimes it's really bad, and I guess it comes down to how much one has invested in the characters whether or not the bad is forgiven more easily.
At the end of the day, it's just subjective taste. I have friends who adore ENT, and I don't. I like some of the episodes, but it's not my show by any stretch, but most of them don't assume I have ill intentions towards the show because of that dislike.
It's okay to like things while others don't, and okay to dislike things when others like them. That doesn't mean people are dismissing it because they're wrong, it's just the show not connecting with them. That's all.
And that's 100% fair. But DSC gets not slack and it's tiresome.
Fair point.
I'm as much a cheerleader for this show as one could find, but it's lost its way, in my opinion. I didn't sign in to this for a weighted blanket.
I think with Star Trek shows there are always some faux pas we forgive, in return for which we have certain expectations. Discovery always had inconsistent writing. Oddly the acting has always been top notch, better than any other trek series or movie. But, like most of its sibling series the science was always iffy at best. It could be overly self-referential, but they handled that aspect well. For me, they're not giving much back compared to the leaps of logic, One of the fun things about Discovery was the fact it felt like it was over-powered and underbraked. It could take dramatic turns. It might not be so hard to guess where it was going, but like a roller coaster, it was still thrilling.
It's on the verge of committing the worst sin in television, being boring. If they have a season 5, they need to make it exciting again.
Again, fair point, and Season 4 teeters on the edge. It's why I don't watch much because it isn't worth it.
because it's reheated ''familiar'' food sprinkled with ''humor'' and in my opinion overstayed it's welcome by season 2 which i did not and will probably not finish
It's comfortable. It takes minimal risks, cushions itself in the familiar, and plays with very familiar tropes. It isn't expanding the world but exploring ideas already present in the world.
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