Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x04 - "All Is Possible"

[Amaris]

Yeah, he's definitely d-e-d.

 

[Fateor]

I mean, you'd have to pretty much ignore how the galaxy is in shambles and doesn't even have insterstellar communication for most of the Quadrant. I mean, Burnham didn't even know the Federation still existed for much of Season 3.

They did, it was only places way way out in the boonies that needed subspace relay's for a signal to reach that didn't.

Mind you, that was also a giant derp moment since those were solar powered.

NOT be using Dilithium... otherwise, Kaminar would have been a planet half blown apart (just to name that) - and yet, it looked pretty vibrant by the end of Season 3.

Yea... I can't help but feel people trying the "Oh there was massive technological regression" forget that...

 

[valkyrie013]

its 32nd century, shouldn't the Shuttle have an EMH? that is partially made of programmable mater that can make medical tools to use? Exocomps used transporters/replicators for tools?
An EMH should have poped up and saved the guy, or at least stabilized him for the time being.

Him being out of it works just as well as dead.

I would think that a shuttle would be produced as needed instead of kept on board.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, he's definitely d-e-d.

Yup.

 

[Fateor]

its 32nd century, shouldn't the Shuttle have an EMH? that is partially made of programmable mater that can make medical tools to use? Exocomps used transporters/replicators for tools?
An EMH should have poped up and saved the guy, or at least stabilized him for the time being.

Yes, yes it should have.

That shuttle historically should have had a lot of things... Like sensors capable of detecting the gamma ray burst before it hit... Shields that would have stopped the gamma ray burst... Seatbelts that would have stopped them from getting knocked out... An emergency subspace beacon... And a full medical kit...

 

[fireproof78]

Seatbelts

Really? In Star Trek? They get used less often personal forcefields.

 

[nic3636]

I'm not ignoring anything.
I'm saying that its utterly ridiculous to think a regression would have occurred given what we've seen.
What 'infrastructure' are we talking about exactly?
We're talking about technology that can self-repair and self-maintain and all of planet based technologies would NOT be using Dilithium... otherwise, Kaminar would have been a planet half blown apart (just to name that) - and yet, it looked pretty vibrant by the end of Season 3.
ALL former and remaining member planets were left INTACT with their technology intact as well - they had replicators and programmable matter.

The Butterfly people powering their satellites with Dilithium was just a bit dumb and there's no evidence this would have been done everywhere (in fact, Earth for example had no issues like that - and it wasn't mentioned their planetary shield satellites were powered by Dilithium).
In fact, satellites would have been far better running off a combo of solar and advanced fusion - but then again, not all species did things intelligently - and again the butterfly people satellites was a tad... meh... also they had 125 years to redesign those satellites since they probably had to know the Burn happened and that using Dilithium would have been ill-advised.

I agree. It's true if you go to random places (e.g. butterfly people planet, Emerald Chain outpost, etc.) they might not be in great shape, but the stories don't take place here they mostly take place in Starfleet. And while Starfleet and the Federation might be smaller than before, the technology clearly advanced. They made a point to show this with the personal transporters, the programmable matter, the holo tricorders, the holodecks that can read minds, and the nacelles that float next to the ship for greater maneuverability.

It's pretty clear these things were introduced to bolster the science fiction element of the show and because they create opportunity for cool looking special effects (Michelle Paradise said something along these lines in an interview). But I don't think they really considered the impact these new technologies have on story telling and the writers ability to create problems for the characters to solve.

I think it's a missed opportunity for the writers to further free themselves from all the baggage of prior series. It would have been interesting if the Burn resulted in a huge loss of technology to the point where Discovery is one of the more technologically advanced ships out there. In addition to destroying dilithium the burn could have fried all the electronic technology in the galaxy meaning it all had to be rebuilt from scratch.

 

[Amasov]

I think my only minor criticism is the amount of stories the episodes tell. Regardless, though, they’ve all been compelling. I’ve also noticed there’s a theme across each episode that is present in all of the stories featured.

Last week was about finding a new path while this one seems to be about putting differences aside in common cause.

Really like what they’ve done so far with the show.

 

[Fateor]

In addition to destroying dilithium the burn could have fried all the electronic technology in the galaxy meaning it all had to be rebuilt from scratch.

Which wouldn't have effected a good portion of 32nd century Starfleet because their stuff was established in Enterprise as utilizing organic technology.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We never learned why the Andorians left the federation

Is this the last episode?

 

[Fateor]

Also... Can I just say... DMA was probably one of the worst acronym's they could have picked from a production standpoint...

Because almost all the actors smoosh it together and it sounds like DNA instead.

 

[jackoverfull]

Doctor Pollard barely has a presence.

i don’t even remember who that is.

Wiseman answered that in the Ready Room.

she said she’ll be back, didn’t she? That doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll be back as a discovery crew member.

 

[nic3636]

Which wouldn't have effected a good portion of 32nd century Starfleet because their stuff was established in Enterprise as utilizing organic technology.

yeah but it isn’t fully organic (like 8472), it’s technology with some organic components, so I don’t think you can say there would be no effect at all.

 

[DEWLine]

Well, I still remember Dr. Pollard. She who spoke of perfect times to do a half-assed job, right?

 

[fireproof78]

she said she’ll be back, didn’t she? That doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll be back as a discovery crew member.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Amaris]

I hope she comes back. Tilly (along with Georgiou) was a big reason I found entertainment in the show. Don't get me wrong, Michael can be great, Saru is just a gem, but there's not much otherwise keeping me around.

As I said, I don't connect very well with the show now that they're in the 32nd century, and while the people are people, the place they're in is discordant with who they are, except it doesn't work for me. I'm hoping it gets better, but honestly, DSC feels like such an uncoordinated mess to me, and I know others probably feel the opposite.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, Discovery and its writers simply aren't interested in anything about the science fiction part of the show.

So, you’re saying it’s Star Trek?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So, you’re saying it’s Star Trek?

More like they would be happier in doing a show that is about regular fiction than Science Fiction.

If the writing staff doesn't enjoy the Science part of "Science Fiction", they really should do a procedural drama or other types of regular fiction show.

There are PLENTY of CBS / Paramount shows that are procedural dramas that they can work on.

 

[fireproof78]

So, you’re saying it’s Star Trek?

Yes, but that is not sufficient any more. It needs to lean away from Star Trek did before while still being just like Star Trek.

 

[nic3636]

Yes, but that is not sufficient any more. It needs to lean away from Star Trek did before while still being just like Star Trek.

I agree, while I would personally prefer the show lean more into the science and technology, it’s not a prerequisite for a Trek series. Each series can and should find its own identity, make its own mark. Science fiction isn’t a strong element of this show’s identity, and that’s ok. There are other things the show does well. It doesn’t need to be everything to everyone.