Gives evil Isildur glare from Lord of the Rings movies: No.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"
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They probably thought automated defenses were overkill because First Officer Chokeslam was on duty. He had the ninjas under control until J'Vini showed up.
And speaking of J'Vini's hench-ninjas-- where did they go? Did they just fly away at some point? One of them killed the Qowat Milat nun!
I believe that Gabrielle Burnham killed J’Vini’s mercenaries.
There's no such thing as OverKill IMO.
All they did was put the First Officers life in danger and he died for it.
They could've set these types of Auto-Turrets in every corner of a room on all the corners
Instead StarFleet has to risk more officers in fire fights
They could've had a easier time containing the invaders.
DISCO writers forgot about it.
Voyager had Seven of Nine's Borg Nano Probe Techniques revive the those who have been dead for up to 73 hours.
They fixed Neelix with her Borg Nano Probes.
I'm surprised that StarFleet Medical didn't adopt some of her techniques & Nano Probes.
That could've saved ALOT of lives, assuming the patients head was in tact and the brain wasn't scrambled into chunky salsa.
I like this episode a lot but yeah, Beverly used 2364 medical technology to revive three humans who had died 370 years earlier of late 20th century medical complications and there seemed to be little wonderment about her achievements except from the three revived humans.
I'm not. Look at the ethical wrangling in Voyager over the use of Cardassian medical knowledge from their information. I can well imagine Starfleet Medical going "Nope. That's an ethical minefield we do not want to deal with."
Frankly, the amount of world-changing technologies that the Federation looked at and said "nuh-uh" is longer than the technologies we actually see.
Like, no one has actually done serious genetic engineering since the Eugenics Wars, despite the tech to do ALREADY EXISTING IRL RIGHT NOW!
On the whole character vs. plot debate, correct me if I'm wrong, but that simply means the story is character-driven vs. needs of the plot driven. I felt the whole Adira/Gray subplot was plot-driven, in order to give Gray a body and Gray and Adira a more physical relationship going forward. However, I thought the Book sub-plot was character-driven. But the Burnham storyline seemed plot-driven to me as well.
Vance: Captain Burnham, can I talk to you in private? I know you're still new to the 32nd century as is Tilly and your mother, but you totally could have revived that Qowat Milat sister with your tricorder.
Burnham:
As someone who has a real life genetic defect that affects my hearing, that's still not curable, it's not that simple. You don't just CRISPR a bunch of DNA and things magically get better or enhanced. We're nowhere near the kind of genetic tinkering described in the Eugenics Wars.
Back to the episode, I'm not a fan of the instant Qowat Milat'ing of Gabrielle Burnham. A year of training doesn't suddenly make you a warrior nun expert honestly, plus we never saw any indication this was remotely her thing in her 23rd century appearances instead of, you know, joining the Ni'var Science Institute as the scientist she was the majority of her life. Obviously Gabrielle went through the same crash course style training as Luke Skywalker, two months on a planet with some cranky teacher and you're suddenly a Jedi Kni--I mean Qowat Milat warrior.
The department that deals with that stuff is still trying to remember how to build a Genesis device and an interplanetary transporter.
lol if internal sensors can detect intruders to set off the alarm, they should be able to auto-beam unwelcome guests into a holding area/brig
And why did the Starfleet victims at the beginning have to deactivate their own shields to beam dilithium to planets? They know their own shield frequency and can beam through their own shields, assuming shields are like Generations/First Contact (ok it's been 800 years since then but still)
As for the non-revival of Qowat Milat victims, doesn't everyone know that Qowat Milat swords are laced with, uh, nanoprobes that completely internally destroy the victims they slice up? Yeah, that's why they can't be revived.
I think a Mod has to do that at this point?
(not really sure)
I would've guessed whoever starts a thread can open the poll. Keeping it closed until showtime is always a good idea, so we don't get "early voters".
Or they're all working in Quark's franchises as greeters. "Come to Quark's, Quarks, is fun, yadda-yadda-yadda....now buy your stuff and get out"
IDK about those terms, or what it takes to be one or the other. I just felt they all had great character moments, no matter how they might be...driven there.
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Now there's a slogan for 2022. But we can discuss that in "Miscellaneous".
Overall, there was a lot to like about this episode:
- USS Credence is a great ship. Looks very Starfleet.
- Ni'Var rejoining the Federation
- Everything on Ni'var
- Qowat Milat. Also, N'Vini had a good lost cause with a scifi element.
- A hibernation ship using an entire moon. Cool idea.
- Beautiful cinematography especially Ni'Var and the hibernation moon. Love the Science Academy towers on Ni'Var.
- Good acting from everyone
- The mind meld with Book. Book making peace with his loss.
- The idea of incorporating a previous Thrill host's mind into a new synthetic body so that the current host can interact with the previous host in the flesh is a cool concept.
- Vance's orchestra analogy to Michael.
Honestly, critics who say that Discovery is not doing Star Trek scifi don't know what they are talking about. This episode had 2 good Trek scifi ideas: the hibernation moon and incorporating a mind into a synthetic body.
Not so good IMO:
- The First Officer on the Credence is an idiot. He had no chance against the Qowat Milat. He should have let them have the dilithium. He sacrificed his life for nothing especially since the dilithium had a tracker. If he did not know about the tracker, why didn't Starflett tell him? Better would have been to just let the Qowat Milat have the dilithium and then follow them back. Also seemed out of character since Starfleet tends to be more brains before brawn. I feel it was only done to justify Michael and mom going on the mission.
- Logically, I don't think Tilly really belonged on that mission. She seemed out of place. You don't send a science cadet, with no fighting skills, who is clumsy on a dangerous mission to apprehend a killer nun-ninja. Realistically, the Qowat Milat should have killed her when they boarded Book's ship.
- The sentimentalism and characters expressing their feelings all the time. The show really does that a lot. It almost feels like a soap opera sometimes.
Grade: B
- USS Credence is a great ship. Looks very Starfleet.
- Ni'Var rejoining the Federation
- Everything on Ni'var
- Qowat Milat. Also, N'Vini had a good lost cause with a scifi element.
- A hibernation ship using an entire moon. Cool idea.
- Beautiful cinematography especially Ni'Var and the hibernation moon. Love the Science Academy towers on Ni'Var.
- Good acting from everyone
- The mind meld with Book. Book making peace with his loss.
- The idea of incorporating a previous Thrill host's mind into a new synthetic body so that the current host can interact with the previous host in the flesh is a cool concept.
- Vance's orchestra analogy to Michael.
Honestly, critics who say that Discovery is not doing Star Trek scifi don't know what they are talking about. This episode had 2 good Trek scifi ideas: the hibernation moon and incorporating a mind into a synthetic body.
Not so good IMO:
- The First Officer on the Credence is an idiot. He had no chance against the Qowat Milat. He should have let them have the dilithium. He sacrificed his life for nothing especially since the dilithium had a tracker. If he did not know about the tracker, why didn't Starflett tell him? Better would have been to just let the Qowat Milat have the dilithium and then follow them back. Also seemed out of character since Starfleet tends to be more brains before brawn. I feel it was only done to justify Michael and mom going on the mission.
- Logically, I don't think Tilly really belonged on that mission. She seemed out of place. You don't send a science cadet, with no fighting skills, who is clumsy on a dangerous mission to apprehend a killer nun-ninja. Realistically, the Qowat Milat should have killed her when they boarded Book's ship.
- The sentimentalism and characters expressing their feelings all the time. The show really does that a lot. It almost feels like a soap opera sometimes.
Grade: B
Except the Qowat Milat aren't inherent killers. They don't kill unless absolutely necessary. If Burnham put Rambo as her officer then the Qowat Milat would actually have killed him first because he was an obvious threat. But Tilly's non-threatening appearance means that she's more likely to be spared, allowing her to do her science stuff later. So actually bringing Tilly was the right call here.
Re: the idea that “realistically” Tilly should’ve been killed by a Qowat Milat.
Firstly, no Qowat Milat boarded Book’s ship in that sequence, those were mercenaries J’Vini hired.
Secondly, and more importantly, as a Qowat Milat, J’Vini would not have instructed them to kill everyone indiscriminately, but only as a last resort in accomplishing their goals, just as they behaved on the Credence, and as she continually behaved in the episode. Tilly’s relative inexperience/lack of expertise in combat would not make that any different.
Also, Tilly is a Lieutenant, Jr. Grade, not a cadet.
Firstly, no Qowat Milat boarded Book’s ship in that sequence, those were mercenaries J’Vini hired.
Secondly, and more importantly, as a Qowat Milat, J’Vini would not have instructed them to kill everyone indiscriminately, but only as a last resort in accomplishing their goals, just as they behaved on the Credence, and as she continually behaved in the episode. Tilly’s relative inexperience/lack of expertise in combat would not make that any different.
Also, Tilly is a Lieutenant, Jr. Grade, not a cadet.
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