Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[jackoverfull]

That's not my own personal experience.

For example...I couldn't make it through more than 8 episodes of ENT. I didn't hate it. I didn't bitch and moan about it. I just didn't like it much. I found it "blah," more of the same, and not for me. No harm done...I just bowed out. I then watched it on Netflix in the spring / summer of 2019, and I found I really appreciated it. The time that had past, allowing me for some franchise separation as well as having developed some different tastes and context, completely changed my viewpoint on what I thought of it.

Similarly, I really loved TUC when it premiered in 1991. Now, I can barely make it through the end of the 2nd act without completely losing interest. I used to think TMP was the weakest TOS movie. Now I think it is one of the strongest.

I think people change, perspectives change, and context is altered as time goes on. I think there are some people (not all....but some) who are very capable of changing their opinions on a movie or series based on any number of factors. I agree it's not common....but it is very possible

possible: yes, but not common, as you write.

Some people just enjoy complaining about stuff.
I find laughing about the giant Disco belly or the crying more fun than an hour long conversation about how great Tilly was today.
Same with all Trek tbh I talk about sex candle ghosts and salamanders way more than how much I loved Geordie

well, the huge chasm is definitely going up there with the salamanders and space ghosts.

Then we'll have a three-way fork in the road. 10 or 20 years from now, those former "Haters" will either think: 1) "This series wasn't as bad as I remembered", 2) "I still don't like it but at least it's better than the crap we have now!", or 3) "I still hate STD! This is the point where Star Trek hit the Point Of No Return!"

For the people who aren't and never were "Haters" and are just critical, ultimately, there will be some things they like about DSC, but it's not going to suddenly become their favorite

agreed.

"The Alternative Factor(TOS)" is at times one of the most inexplicable and poorly-explained stories in the history of the franchise and that's saying something. Yet how can one completely dislike any episode of a Trek series that contains this music and dialogue?

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I found the basic concept potentially interesting and the eventual resolution great, also they had obviously invested some money and thought in the interdimentional ship, something rare for tos. unfortunately the script was REALLY badly written and made very little sense.
Thankfully the alternate universes idea was tackled much better with Mirror Mirror (and even better with Parallels, on TNG).

 

[Vger23]

"The Alternative Factor(TOS)" is at times one of the most inexplicable and poorly-explained stories in the history of the franchise and that's saying something. Yet how can one completely dislike any episode of a Trek series that contains this music and dialogue?

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That is one of the best scenes in the entire history of the franchise right there.

 

[cooleddie74]

Robert Brown is one of the greatest scenery chewers to ever get hired for a Star Trek episode or movie. The man has gravitas and delivered lines with commitment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Robert Brown is one of the greatest scenery chewers to ever get hired for a Star Trek episode or movie. The man has gravitas and delivered lines with commitment.

Lines that were written moments before he had to say them.

 

[cooleddie74]

The dude has chops.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

https://intl.startrek.com/news/the-science-behind-discoverys-burn

The science advisors for DSC go into details behind the Burn.
Most of that I got from the episode itself, already, but nice to see it spelled out.

also:

 

[NCC-73515]

We propose that the epigenetic changes (or his polyploid nature) caused Su’Kal’s vocal chords to develop in a manner where they resonate at the resonant frequency of the stable crystalline structure that ties dilithium from normal space to subspace. Because of this connection, his crisis permeated normal space as well as subspace. When Su’Kal cried out, he did so at the resonant frequency of the structure of dilithium, causing the subspace and normal-space portions of the crystal to dissociate.

Like opera singers breaking glasses XD

 

[NCC-73515]

10 or 20 years from now, those former "Haters" will either think: 1) "This series wasn't as bad as I remembered",

I watched S1 again only 2 years later and thought it was not as bad as I remembered

 

[dswynne1]

The reason for the low rating on my part (7/10) was that how the conflict was resolved was not "Star Trek". I look at how Kirk and crew dealt with their antagonists in TOS, and, for the most part, the "bad guy" didn't get "blown up" or something. I think it would have been better if Burnham, having every justification in killing Osyrra for what she has done, wounded her instead. This would surprise Osyrra, convinced that she was going to be killed by Starfleet. "No, Osyrra," Burham says, as she continues to level her weapon at the fallen leader of the Emerald Chain, even as she adjust her weapon on stun. "Killing you would let you off the hook for you have done, and you are going to stand trial for your crimes." BLAM! Then, Burnham saves the day (Yay!). Just saying...

 

[Claudia]

Overall, season 3 was better than season 2... but that's not saying much.

The Burn and the reason for it... okay... but are we sure that the guy will find any peace? I mean he's responsible for destroying warp travel etc so there will be some repercussions (even if not official ones).

The Emerald Chain... well... oops screen time runs out, so we blow everything up and everything's okay.

Is Stamets still necessary, now that Booker can navigate Discovery?

The ending was strange, felt more like a series-ending than a season-ending... and I thought the TOS-credit music didn't really fit.

Not sure whether I'll tune in next season, there's still not really a character I actually like, they're all pretty pale, and I really don't like Burnham's breathy dramatic voice... But I said that at the end of season 2 as well... *shrug

 

[Angry Fanboy]

Is Stamets still necessary, now that Booker can navigate Discover?

Is Culber necessary if Pollard is also a doctor? Is Detmer necessary if there are other pilots onboard?

 

[Lord Garth]

Putting all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea. If something happens to Stamets, they can't use the Spore Drive. Book still knows more about the galaxy than Discovery (or Starfleet for that matter). Being a guide and negotiator will probably be his main function. He's like a much cooler version of Neelix. And he can help with the Spore Drive as an added bonus. But that won't be his main thing.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

Booker versus Stamets is novice versus expert anyway.

 

[darrenjl]

I wonder if Book's species become the answer to the Federation rolling out the spore drive.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

The reason for the low rating on my part (7/10) was that how the conflict was resolved was not "Star Trek". I look at how Kirk and crew dealt with their antagonists in TOS, and, for the most part, the "bad guy" didn't get "blown up" or something. I think it would have been better if Burnham, having every justification in killing Osyrra for what she has done, wounded her instead. This would surprise Osyrra, convinced that she was going to be killed by Starfleet. "No, Osyrra," Burham says, as she continues to level her weapon at the fallen leader of the Emerald Chain, even as she adjust her weapon on stun. "Killing you would let you off the hook for you have done, and you are going to stand trial for your crimes." BLAM! Then, Burnham saves the day (Yay!). Just saying...

Should have arrested her and made her stand trial. That would have tied in very nicely with Vance plea to Osyraa and also Vance new found respect for Burnham

Also it would have meant we could of had Discovery II : Wrath of Osyraa

 

[Angry Fanboy]

I wonder if Book's species become the answer to the Federation rolling out the spore drive.

Probably.

 

[Tuskin38]

Rewatching the final battle, I don’t think discovery is firing any of those beams, as there’s shield impact FX anytime there’s a beam on her, I think it’s just the other fed ships using beams, Discovery is only firing pulses and torpedoes.

edit: Hm wait there are a couple shots where beams are impacting the other federation ships, so maybe both are

 

[NX_01]

We propose that the epigenetic changes (or his polyploid nature) caused Su’Kal’s vocal chords to develop in a manner where they resonate at the resonant frequency of the stable crystalline structure that ties dilithium from normal space to subspace.

Like opera singers breaking glasses XD

This is so .....
This renders everyone with a dilithium reserve beeing able to wipe out all D. in the universe.

 

[Timo]

It's a nice addition to Trek's line of adventures where local conditions affect the biological nature of those exposed within a single generation. It's just new here that the changes happened to somebody sitting on the surface of a miracle of nature...

Something like this happened once before, only backstage: TAS "Slaver Weapon" backstory involves a telepathic bomb killing all sentient life in Milky Way, but the backstory isn't incorporated in full in the aired version. Spock's line regarding the galaxy-wide extinction is a bit more ambiguous there, but the scale at least is evident, and makes one wonder if Burns happen with some frequency after all.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

This is so .....
This renders everyone with a dilithium reserve beeing able to wipe out all D. in the universe.

No.
Because it’s heavily implied that the ginormous concentration of dilithium in the Verubin nebula and on the planet specifically made this possible.
Any reserve anyone has, will not be enough to have these wide reaching effects.
Don’t underestimate how big a planet is, and a huge percentage of that mass is dilithium.