Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[Deks]

I mean, an explanation is always nice but since it is previously established I feel safe in allowing that be the explanation until stated otherwise. Occam's razor and a lot more fun than just "The writers suck!"

That would work yes, but there's this nagging problem with the first 2 seasons of Discovery also featuring a vast systems hub inside Discovery (And also Enterprise from short Trek's).

Unless Starfleet already was able to make things bigger on the inside starting from the 23rd century... but in a relatively limited fashion.

 

[fireproof78]

That would work yes, but there's this nagging problem with the first 2 seasons of Discovery also featuring a vast systems hub inside Discovery (And also Enterprise from short Trek's).

I always figured that the ships insides were fairly modular, allowing for flexibility in ship mission profile, rather than having one set configuration. So, as far as nagging problems go it hasn't nagged much inside my head.

Mileage no doubt will vary.

 

[Deks]

I always figured that the ships insides were fairly modular, allowing for flexibility in ship mission profile, rather than having one set configuration. So, as far as nagging problems go it hasn't nagged much inside my head.

Mileage no doubt will vary.

SF ships are largely modular because they are 'jack of all trades' for the most part (which is a good thing)... but that still doesn't explain how vast systems hub is because its essentially too massive of a space that simply doesn't FIT into the internals of those ships (before the TARDIS tech was invented).

 

[fireproof78]

SF ships are largely modular because they are 'jack of all trades' for the most part (which is a good thing)... but that still doesn't explain how vast systems hub is because its essentially too massive of a space that simply doesn't FIT into the internals of those ships (before the TARDIS tech was invented).

Then it doesn't fit and is an inconsistency that will have to be ignored. So, again, nagging problem is not really nagging and gets filed under Deck 78 YATI.

For this past episode TARDIS tech is sufficient.

 

[Deks]

For this past episode TARDIS tech is sufficient.

Assuming of course SF continued to use this technology after the Temporal Wars and it wasn't banned because it wasn't Temporal technology (and it easily could have been).

But even if it was, it cannot really be used to time travel... in which case, SF should also have other temporal technology variants which were modified to prevent travelling through time (aka past or the future)... and thus, that Temporal Rift generation technology the USS Aeon used would have been useful for traversing massive distances in a blink of an eye.

Or the TARDIS technology became an integral part of all ships by this time that it was impossible to remove it, so that variant may have been kept, but anything else (like the rift technology) wasn't allowed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Okay, fess up: How many of you voted 1 just because of the Discovery Turbolift Funhouse?

 

[fireproof78]

Assuming of course SF continued to use this technology after the Temporal Wars and it wasn't banned because it wasn't Temporal technology (and it easily could have been).

But even if it was, it cannot really be used to time travel... in which case, SF should also have other temporal technology variants which were modified to prevent travelling through time (aka past or the future)... and thus, that Temporal Rift generation technology the USS Aeon used would have been useful for traversing massive distances in a blink of an eye.

Or the TARDIS technology became an integral part of all ships by this time that it was impossible to remove it, so that variant may have been kept, but anything else (like the rift technology) wasn't allowed.

I think operating in different dimensional plan doesn't automatically mean temporal technology, so I think they might be able to operate in a limited capacity. I also think that some sort of governor could be put in to place to limit temporal access.

 

[Photoman15]

So we're sure the nacelles reattach themselves when the ship goes to warp? Isn't the whole point of having detached nacelles that there's some sort of benefit to them being that way?

I would think the only advantage is if you have a situation like "CAUSE AND EFFECT". If the nacelle is hit, it is not connected to the ship and won't cause any explosions/warp core breaches.

 

[Lord Garth]

"Parody: Modern Trekkies If The Search for Spock Was New"
- by Lord Garth

Two years ago, if you told me there would be a Star Trek movie worse than Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, I never would've believed you. Other critics may say Star Trek III: The Search for Spock is "strictly for Trekkies" but I couldn't disagree more. Nothing about it reminds me of the television series. Where, oh where, do I begin?

One of the only good things about this movie is that it brings Mr. Spock back to life. But I did NOT need to be reminded of his death right from the beginning of the movie! One point down right off the bat!

What the Hell happened to the Klingons?! First of all, it was bad enough that they completely redesigned them in the first film. What's with the forehead make-up? You can barely see the actors! And now they're flying around in a Bird-of-Prey?! I swear that Harve Bennett must've never watched an episode of Star Trek in his entire life! Every Star Trek fan worth his weight in gold knows it's THE ROMULANS who have a Bird-of-Prey and cloak! Watch some Star Trek for a change. The REAL Star Trek! That's two points down so far!

Why does the Admiral want to decommission the Enterprise? 20 years old? Two films ago, Decker said the Enterprise was almost brand-new! The writer Harve Bennett just doesn't pay any attention to the details! When they show the computer display of the Enterprise on the bridge, it's based off the Franz Joseph Technical Manual, from before the Enterprise's Refit! I know! I studied the manual in loving detail! A lot more than the so-called "professionals!" Three points down!

When Dr. McCoy goes into the bar to meet with that skeezy dealer, it looks like something from straight out of Star Wars! So now Star Trek is ripping off another franchise? Worse than that, they're playing arcade games! If this is supposed to be the 23rd Century, don't make it feel so much like the '80s! Four points down!

I can't believe I didn't mention this earlier, but whose bright idea was it to have the Klingon Commander played by Christopher Lloyd, the guy who played Reverend Jim from "Taxi"?! How am I supposed to take him seriously?! Five points down.

Even worse is the casting for Saavik! Why couldn't they get back Kristie Alley? Robin Curtis looks nothing like her! Why couldn't they just make her a new character?! They're banking on familiarity from before! Six points down!

Why did Kirk need to steal the Enterprise to rescue Spock? Couldn't he just book a freighter in secret?! But I guess they had to because otherwise they wouldn't have had a chance to blow up the Enterprise. Ho-hum. They're just trying to use emotional manipulation with these movies and just expecting us to buy it. Seven points down!

By the way, they're trying REALLY hard to make these Star Trek Movies work toward these emotional moments that are COMPLETELY UNEARNED! David is introduced as Kirk's son from out of nowhere in the last movie. He didn't even know Kirk was his father until the end of it! But now Kirk suddenly has a son, just to kill him off, just so Kirk can have an emotional breakdown? Give me a break! Eight points down!

And this one deserves its own category! Kirk's cried now in all three movies! What's with all the crying?! He looked like he was about to tear up when he saw the Enterprise for the first time in the first movie. Then he cried at the end of the second movie! And now he's crying in the third! These are Starfleet Officers! They're highly-trained! Remember when Kirk's own brother died in "Operation: Annihilate!"? Episode 29! He didn't cry! Not even once! He collected himself and went about his duty, like a Professional! Like a Military Man! Nine points down!

Last, but not least: What was all of this even for? Spock was brought back to life but he can't even remember anything! It's like it's Spock but it's NOT Spock! "And the Adventure Continues"?! What is it with movies and sequels these days? I remember a time when movies had a beginning, middle, and end! One film, one story! Now they just go from one to the next!

10 points down!!!!

On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Star Trek III: The Search for Spock a 0. A ZERO!!!! Harve Bennett and now Leonard Nimoy are trying to destroy Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek! I heard a rumor that they blew up the Enterprise just so they could replace it with the Excelsior! I believe it. They just keep trying to make it worse and worse! This isn't real Star Trek! You want to watch real Star Trek?! Like I said before, turn on the TV! Don't go to the movies!!!! Boycott this film at every turn. It's the Trekkie thing to do.

 

[Tuskin38]

EAS called this the best season finale and Season 3 the best season of Discovery.

Though I'm pretty sure he gave higher episode ratings in Season 2. But I guess an overall opinion is different from individual episode scores. Still only a 4/10.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Okay, fess up: How many of you voted 1 just because of the Discovery Turbolift Funhouse?

It would have been a 10 if they had axed the funhouse.

 

[jackoverfull]

EAS called this the best season finale and Season 3 the best season of Discovery.

he also said that the bar was pretty low to start with...

 

[fireproof78]

The fact that he is still watching blows my mind.

 

[Tuskin38]

The fact that he is still watching blows my mind.

He does it for his site, since it's meant to be a resource for all the series and movies, so he needs to watch the show so he can put that info in there.

If it was just a review site, I'd say yeah, he should probably stop, but that's not the only thing on the site.

 

[fireproof78]

He does it for his site, since it's meant to be a resource for all the series and movies, so he needs to watch the show so he can put that info in there.

If it was just a review site, I'd say yeah, he should probably stop, but that's not the only thing on the site.

Still surprising giving the animus directed at Discovery. I figured there would be enough of a community to farm it out. But, I guess not.

Regardless, good for him for soldiering through.

 

[Paul Weaver]

This may have been answers before, but why did they have to eject the core and blow up the badguy ship? Couldn’t the spore drive just magic them out of there?

 

[jackoverfull]

This may have been answers before, but why did they have to eject the core and blow up the badguy ship? Couldn’t the spore drive just magic them out of there?

no one has an explanation as far as I’ve seen so far.

 

[Dar70]

Watched it. It's garbage. While watching the wife could tell I disliked it just be body movements. Discovery just isn't for me. I don't like any of the crew, except for maybe Saru, and I dislike Micheal the most.

I have to agree. I have tried to give it a chance to but it is getting worse imo. I do like Saru and also Stamets and Hugh. Besides Michael these three characters have grown the most and I actually remember their names. The other characters are throwaway imo and have barely been developed after season 3. Tilly maybe a bit.

I don't care how people try to justify the stupid turbolift scene. It was messy and I had no clue where they were. I turned my head for a minute and I'm thinking "what the hell did Michael just fall into??"

There's no way to reconcile the huge innards of the ship we were shown. Sure people can use the stupid Tardis tech excuse but we were shown no such thing the prior two seasons.

Im enjoying my rewatch of DS9 and Voyager so much more. Both of which i feel are much better produced and better balanced than Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

There's no way to reconcile the huge innards of the ship we were shown. Sure people can use the stupid Tardis tech excuse but we were shown no such thing the prior two seasons.

Why should we? Such tech is far future tech.

Im enjoying my rewatch of DS9 and Voyager so much more. Both of which i feel are much better produced and better balanced than Discovery.

I trust we will not see you for Season 4 then? Enjoy DS9 and Voyager!

 

[SAndrews10]

Poor Rachael Ancheril. She got promoted to regular for season 3. Got written out after episode 5 after being in what 3 of those? So what was the point?