Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 30, 2020.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

  1. Slugboy

    Slugboy Commodore Commodore

    Oct 4, 2004
    Dominion space
    According to the actress who plays Osyraa (Janet Kidder), she was aiming for a so-called Mid-Atlantic accent, which is an accent that combines American and British accents. The Mid-Atlantic accent is a real accent, but a cultivated one (meaning that nobody is born speaking it, but rather they are trained to speak it). It used to be very common in early cinema, and also encouraged in certain boarding schools.

    For an example of this accent elsewhere in television, the characters Frasier and Niles Crane, in the TV show "Frasier", use the accent as well.
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  2. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

    Jan 30, 2018
    TBH, this is a typical Trek plothole that I've seen in almost every Trek series, where a menacing but relatively weak villain alien somehow managed to outsmart and defeat a much superior Federaton ship. Whenever I rewatched TNG's "Rascals" I always scoffed seeing why did the Enterprise-D, the most advanced Federation ship of its time with 1,000+ crew members and most advanced weapons tech, couldn't ward off an assault from a bunch of Ferengi ships (it's the Ferengi for goodness sake, c'mon. Couldn't you just blow up their ships to kingdom's come with one or two well-targeted photon torpedoes??) :shrug:

    And it took a de-aged Picard, Guinan, and Keiko (all turned into young teens due to a transporter mishap) to save the day rather than adult officers like Riker, Worf, etc. As much as I enjoyed the comic aspect of the episode, this episode always left me wonder about how the D would've fared if it's being attacked by the Klingons, Romulans, Cardies, or more menacing aliens out there, if it was easily defeated by an alien race that at that time (prior to its DS9 rehabilitation) was considered to be the "comic relief" villain of the Trek-verse :shrug:
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  3. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 9, 2002
    I was kind of predicting we'd find out that Starfleet was the actual bad guys and the Emerald Chain wasn't as bad as you might think. Or else they're both assholes and the 'real' Federation is out there somewhere still.
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  4. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 2, 2017
    This is one of those things though that is a lot more forgivable in an episodic show with 26 episodes per season than a serialized show with 13. I mean, one of the arguments people use to explain why we should be okay with half as much (or even less than half as much) Trek in each series is because with the shorter seasons there won't be "filler episodes." Only I feel like even though I've enjoyed some of each of the modern Trek series, there has been basically the same ratio of filler to high-quality as in any other Trek series.
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  5. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    Or else the Federation has mix of good and assholes.
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  6. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
    I noticed the DOTs had a department coloured eyes, blue red and yellow.
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  7. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 20, 2013
    Erie, PA, USA
    Finally an intruder was spaced! I've always wanted an intruder to be beamed into space or blown out an airlock.

    They finally had the guts to say what we've always known; the base matter for replicators is poop.

    The sphere data taking refuge in the robots was cool. We're one step closer to Zora getting an android body.
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  8. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 5, 2004
    Well, that depends on whether you figure higher technology levels favor encryption or decryption. Some years back, I think the NYT magazine ran a collection of short pieces about the future of technology. One predicted that future advances would render all codes breakable, and we would be entering an era of unprecedented transparency. Another predicted that codes would become conceptually unbreakable, and total encryption would offer true privacy forever. In the same issue. (Similarly, two other pieces argued that the future of AI was either to duplicate the personality quirks of the user when, for instance, trading stocks, or to finally replace rotten human decision-making with something logically sound.)

    More likely that neither wins, ever. DSC S3 just happens to be set in an era where you can't lock people out if they have physical access. (This implies that Data's confidence was unwarranted, yep, but I think the problem is with First Contact rather than DSC.)
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  9. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

    Jan 30, 2018
    Just look at all the Federation Admirals and supporting cast Captains we saw in all 'Trek' iterations over the course of the past five decades. IMO we can count Ross, Pike (Kelvin-verse), Cornwell and Vance among the "good ones." Many were assholes like Nechayev, Clancy ("F***ing hubris'), Captain Jellico, and so forth. And then there are plenty of "evil" ones like Marcus (at least the Kelvin verse), Cartwright, Pressman, Leyton, Captain Ransom, Dougherty, etc. Last but not least "batshit crazy" ones like Satie.

    A thousand years old organisation like the Federation/Starfleet would have hundreds of mllions officers throughout its history with different personalities from good, evil, to fully batshit nuts. In the 32nd century so far we only saw the Fed HQ commanded by Admiral Vance himself, but we haven't seen other Federation outposts which I assume there would be quite a few out there, albeit separated hundreds, if not thousands lightyears away. Some of these are staffed by officers who remained faithful to the Federation ideas like the late Admiral Tal and Vance. Others - which we hope to see in Season 4 - might be more pragmatic and willing to sacrifice these ideas for survival, personal gain, etc. That's just reflecting the diversity of a 1,000 + years organization which have attracted so many people all over the known galaxies to join it due to its high space exploration ideas.
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  10. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 5, 2004
    Agreed, but non-replicability of the spore drive was baked in a long time ago. I give current writers a pass when the problem they've been stuck with was introduced a couple of seasons ago. (See also: Mass Effect.)
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  11. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

    May 18, 2017
    Actually it wasn't, the Spore Drive itself was always easily replicable.

    Even navigation was possible, because the problem was computational, something that should have been solved by the 32nd century.
  12. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 5, 2004
    Except it can't be. Because it, you know, wasn't.
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  13. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

    May 18, 2017
    Actually it was, the ship was the USS Glenn.
  14. Paul755

    Paul755 Captain Captain

    Jul 21, 2018
    A solid 7.

    Fehr was really good, I’m glad to see Vance isn’t a bad guy. But I don’t think there is anyway he survives next week.

    coulda done with out the shit-apple discussion though.

    Stamets yelling at Burnham at the end was really good as well.
  15. JRoss

    JRoss Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Dec 19, 2010
    Standard stuff. More filler than their needed to be, but I was happy to see Vance make smart decisions.
    I just about wept when I saw Kenneth Mitchell's name at the end credits. I didn't recognize him without the prosthetics, but it dawned on me that he must be Aurellio.
    I have family and friends who have MS. Three or four friends who were/are quadriplegics. I have worked with special needs people for years, including many with mental and physical disabilities. This is something good and pure. I'm still near to crying, if I'm being honest.
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  16. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    I gave this one a solid 8. One of the season's best so far.
  17. Iconian

    Iconian Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 11, 2009
    I suppose they can gather the base materials for the replicators from other sources as well, such as planets, asteroids, nebulas, etc.

    Heck, there was a flying rain forest when they first arrived at Federation/Starfleet's HQ.
  18. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

    Nov 3, 2009
    previously Mickmike
    You do remember what happened to the Glenn because of its navigation system, right?
  19. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 15, 2002
    And, what I'm saying is that the Federation's response was utterly predictable. She had a bad plan. Start negotiations by hijacking a Federation ship and then expecting to negotiate in good faith.

    I just don't buy into the idea that someone like Ossyra who can effectively run a crime syndicate would be so naïve.
  20. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 15, 2002
    Solo was a fun film despite the reviews. ST:ANH was actually my very first film as a child (of course it was just Star Wars at the time). I love the original trilogy. I didn't mind the remastered versions but it's also not like they were a vast improvement. But I didn't hate them either. Prequels suck. And, in the sequel trilogy, I'd only say the first film was good. The resolution in the final film was ok but not great.

    I have picked up on an increased SW vibe in the current season of Discovery.
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