Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

[fireproof78]

I don't know. It seems like the Federation has the stronger position. As far as we can tell, they hadn't given any thought to aligning with the Orions. It sounds like they were trading already too--just unofficially. When presented the option, the Federation turned her down because she wouldn't face a trial. So, the Federation really didn't feel compelled to agree out of any strong necessity.

I was talking about Ossyra's point of view. She figures that the Federation would want Discovery back and kowtow. From her view she has the strength. The Federation didn't take it like she thought.

Maybe not in real life, but more entertaining TV. I’m not seeing compelling evidence that the Federation or Star Fleet is run by competent people.

So, evil is better than incompetent?

Ok, I guess i just don't get it.

 

[ITDUDE]

After thinking about it more, the takeover of Discovery was way too easy. Especially for a ship supposedly retrofitted with 32nd century tech.

Without spoiling too much, the Mandalorian also had a takeover of a capital starship recently. However, taking it over was hardly easy and the show made it look realistic in that serious effort was needed. Discovery should be more like that.

Shh, the fanboyz don’t like comparing their Star Trek-like show to Star Wars and more specifically The Mandolorian. It just highlights how much Star Trek still had to go.

 

[DaveyNY]

First Newtonian law of motion:

If a body is at rest or moving at a constant speed in a straight line, it will remain at rest or keep moving in a straight line at constant speed unless it is acted upon by a force.

One could also assume that what they were viewing was possibly from a camera located on the hull of the ship where the breech occured.

 

[fireproof78]

Shh, the fanboyz don’t like comparing their Star Trek-like show to Star Wars and more specifically The Mandolorian. It just highlights how much Star Trek still had to go.

Right...that's exactly it. Us fanboyz don't like the comparison because Mandalorian is so superior...

it's not like people can't like them for two different reasons...

 

[137th Gebirg]

I don't know why but Janet Kidder's acting in this episode reminded me of 1960s star trek especially with her dialogue during the negotiations with Admiral Vance.

The Orion makeup is so horrible it really ruined it for me, honestly. It’s bad enough on the wide shots, but medium and tight shots really reveal the fakeness of it, especially around the mouth area. I am really disappointed that Hetrick and Page let this go.

 

[Fateor]

No there were others. I just rewatched DS9. And they can't replicate gold pressed latinum and that other metal, which I'm drawing a blank on right now. Duranium? There's multiple points of evidence in DS9 that replicators can't replicate perfectly.

They couldn't replicate Latinum, which is some sort of rare super material.

The Orion makeup is so horrible it really ruined it for me, honestly. It’s bad enough on the wide shots, but medium and tight shots really reveal the fakeness of it, especially around the mouth area. I am really disappointed that Hetrick and Page let this go.

Yea... It was so lumpy in places you really had to wonder whether they just didn't care...

 

[thribs]

The Enterprise design for the Orions was fine. I don’t get why they feel the need to change everything. Usually they just make it worse.

 

[ITDUDE]

Right...that's exactly it. Us fanboyz don't like the comparison because Mandalorian is so superior...

it's not like people can't like them for two different reasons...

They definitely could. But there are A LOT of folks here who are 100% Team Trek

 

[fireproof78]

They definitely could. But there are A LOT of folks here who are 100% Team Trek

And...?

 

[bookworm8571]

I was talking about Ossyra's point of view. She figures that the Federation would want Discovery back and kowtow. From her view she has the strength. The Federation didn't take it like she thought.


So, evil is better than incompetent?

Ok, I guess i just don't get it.

Obviously it would be better to have competence and decency in one package and slavery and unscrupulous killing of the sort Osyraa has indulged is beyond the pale. On the other hand, a little ruthless pragmatic capitalism beats pie in the sky idealism when it comes to people’s actual lives and families. Exhibit A is apparently Aurellio. I’d like to see the Feds forced to do business with Osyraa and the Emerald Chain. She made a case for herself in this episode. The dynamics will be interesting.

 

[fireproof78]

Obviously it would be better to have competence and decency in one package and slavery and unscrupulous killing of the sort Osyraa has indulged is beyond the pale. On the other hand, a little ruthless pragmatic capitalism beats pie in the sky idealism when it comes to people’s actual lives and families. Exhibit A is apparently Aurellio. I’d like to see the Feds forced to do business with Osyraa and the Emerald Chain. She made a case for herself in this episode. The dynamics will be interesting.

I don't mind them negotiating. But I don't want Osyrra running the Federation. There is a balance to be struck between pragmatism and idealism.

So, saying that what Osyraa has done is beyond the pale and then asking for her to run the Federation is...odd, at best.

 

[Lord Garth]

I can't comment on The Mandalorian because I've never seen it. I'll watch it at some point and I'll judge it fairly.

I saw all the movies in the theater except Solo (which I haven't seen at all). I liked the Original Trilogy (I saw it in its entirety for the first time in 1997 when they released the Remastered Version), and I liked the Sequel Trilogy (sorry Fandom Menace!), but I did not like the Prequel Trilogy. That's about as far as it goes.

But anyway, yeah, as far as the two Star ____ Franchises go, I thought the early-2000s were a low-point.

 

[bookworm8571]

I don't mind them negotiating. But I don't want Osyrra running the Federation. There is a balance to be struck between pragmatism and idealism.

So, saying that what Osyraa has done is beyond the pale and then asking for her to run the Federation is...odd, at best.

Conflict is of more interest and complexity than utopia. I’d want her to stay, maybe as a power behind the scene, because it would be interesting.

 

[fireproof78]

I saw all the movies in the theater except Solo (which I haven't seen it all). I liked the Original Trilogy (I saw it in its entirety for the first time in 1997 when they released the Remastered Version), and I liked the Sequel Trilogy (sorry Fandom Menace!), but I did not like the Prequel Trilogy. That's about as far as it goes.

I've been a part of the SW fandom for a while and this still sums up save for Solo, which I think is a fun film.

But, as far comparing the two Star franchises is a game that got old in 6th grade.

Conflict is of more interest and complexity than utopia. I’d want her to stay, maybe as a power behind the scene, because it would be interesting.

Conflict is of interest but I see no reason to my her a leader of some kind. Give the Federation more of an edge but not Oryssa. More interesting as the counterpoint to the Federation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anyone else really confused at the "You can't replicate the spore drive" bit?

Stamets is the drives literal creator, so the only way Starfleet shouldn't be able to replicate it is if Stamets refuses to actually write up blueprints for the damn things...

Nope, it been pretty obvious that the key component for the Spore Drive, Stamets' tardigrade DNA can't be duplicated. Heck he and Aurellio had a conversation about in this very episode. It's why Burnham had to get Stamets off the Discovery. To deny the Chain the key component to to the Drive.

I'm calling it now, Osyrra and Mitchell's character are married.

He was ten years old when he met Osyrra and she "sponsered" his education. Ick factor: Neelix.

Also, have we at any point seen anything about Stamets adopting Adira or anything? I found it really odd and frankly kind of uncomfortable when he was talking about them as if they were his child. That's really presumptuous and frankly kind of weird if there hasn't been any previous conversations about it.

Yes, not a formal adoption, but a familial connection none the less.

 

[Yistaan]

Obviously it would be better to have competence and decency in one package and slavery and unscrupulous killing of the sort Osyraa has indulged is beyond the pale. On the other hand, a little ruthless pragmatic capitalism beats pie in the sky idealism when it comes to people’s actual lives and families. Exhibit A is apparently Aurellio. I’d like to see the Feds forced to do business with Osyraa and the Emerald Chain. She made a case for herself in this episode. The dynamics will be interesting.

Without spoiling things from other shows too much, the Fed has done a lot worse things. Although to be fair, as I like to say (which I read from a Star Wars comic book although maybe that took it from another source): Past mistakes don't justify current ones.

 

[fireproof78]

Nope, it been pretty obvious that the key component for the Spore Drive, Stamets' tardigrade DNA can't be duplicated. Heck he and Aurellio had a conversation about in this very episode. It's why Burnham had to get Stamets off the Discovery. To deny the Chain the key component to to the Drive.

Clearly that can't be right. 32nd technology can overcome anything, even DNA.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Shh, the fanboyz don’t like comparing their Star Trek-like show to Star Wars and more specifically The Mandolorian. It just highlights how much Star Trek still had to go.

As someone who is a fan of star wars, in particular the mandalorian, i felt season 2 was a mostly meandering mess that relied far too heavily on gimmicky fan service and mando being a complete idiot for the sake of plot. The mandalorian sadly is a show that has zero faith in its main character and season two was just one big advertisement for all the spinoffs that are coming.

 

[Aragorn]

I wouldn't say Mandalorian is the standard that Discovery and Picard should aspire to, but The Expanse is.

 

[ITDUDE]

I wouldn't say Mandalorian is the standard that Discovery and Picard should aspire to, but The Expanse is.

Agree that nothing beats The Expanse
In order:
-The Expanse
-Picard/The Mandalorian (tie)
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-Lower Decks
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-(new) Lost in Space
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-Discovery