Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 9, 2020.

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  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

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    It's a guess based on using the same actress. Which is why I placed quotes around the name.
     
  2. Discofan

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    Ok, I am convinced. It must be her.
     
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  3. JoseNoodles

    JoseNoodles Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Right, hence my question about whether this is a vision/hallucination or something like "Tapestry" where a person gets to alter their past without seemingly altering all of history. In the case of the latter, Carl would better work as a Q than than a Guardian of Forever. Still waiting for canon to be supposedly destroyed though.
     
  4. Iconian

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    I wonder why time soldier Yor was specifically identified as belonging to the Kelvin universe. Do you think a crossover episode will take place down the road?
     
  5. 137th Gebirg

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    I think they're keeping their options open with that one, particularly since the feature films have ostensibly stalled. Paramount/ViaCom/CBS are once again all under the same roof and the various TV shows seem to be immediate future of the franchise. They know people still want to see KU material, but they don't want to go all the way with new movies right now. It makes sense that they would possibly maneuver to bring the Kelvin crew under the All Access umbrella to appeal to that fanbase and get more streaming subscribers. I say, why not? :)
     
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  6. F. King Daniel

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    Went in an unexpected direction with the MU stuff, looks like this is Georgiou's "Tapestry" and something shining a light on her softening since crossing over. Mirror Michael was unhinged. They teased Lorca so much I'm hoping he'll be back for part 2, or that we'll meet Prime Lorca somehow.

    Didn't get the guy and the door being a reimagined Guardian of Forever, I was thinking they'd found a Q.
     
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  7. Nyotarules

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    Watching for a second time. SMG seems to be enjoying herself as an over the top baddie. I guess this is the version of the Mirror universe where T'Pol and Spock can be XOs in the Terran Imperial Starfleet, and Terrans don't eat sentient aliens for dinner.
    So 'Guardian' Carl uses Mirror Phillipa to correct the DISC Mirror reality? Its the only way Mirror Spock can eventually destroy the Terran empire.
    PG makes peace with the Vulcans, turns them into Imperial partners and promises Sarek some fancy top job and helps his son Spock's career.
     
  8. JoseNoodles

    JoseNoodles Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It would be a shame not do a crossover considering they mention the Abramsverse. I also wonder a lot about Yor. He was a "time soldier", presumably involved in the Temporal Cold War and the subsequent Temporal War. So maybe he was jumping around time a whole lot (which is bad) and the crossover was the last straw that did him in. I wish we knew more about him, like where he traveled in time through exactly and at what point he crossed into the primeverse, as well as who he was working for. Kovich's comments were probably meant to be definitive, but the goddamn TNG Season 1 uniform throws a monkey wrench into things.
     
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  9. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    It was nice seeing Burnham and Georgiou walking together again, like in the series premiere. I half-expected Zora's directions to lead them into making another Starfleet delta (in the snow instead of sand). ;)
     
  10. Kevman7987

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    Carl may be neither a Q nor a Guardian of Forever. Star Trek is known to have had god-like entities living on random non-inhabited planets that show up for only one episode, never to be explained or seen again.

    Or Carl may be a member of the Carl Continuum that spends some of his time reading newspapers on that planet and the rest of his time as a Las Vegas detective in the early 2000s.

    I gotta admit that when I first saw him there reading a newspaper in a suit that my immediate thought was, "Anubis is back again and reading the Ascended Times? Is this where he goes when he leaves the diner?"
     
  11. Gilora

    Gilora Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Hence my mention of the second one.
     
  12. Gilora

    Gilora Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    These are the same photos I linked to.
     
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  13. jackoverfull

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    in a way it’s just a little Easter egg, in another it was a good way to mention it in a more or less relevant way.

    not anytime soon. But one day for sure.
     
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  14. Nyotarules

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    Prime Spock died in 2263, five years after he turned up in 2258, thats a short time period for a Vulcan
     
  15. Lord Garth

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    Plus he was "only" 162 when he died (157 years in the Prime Timeline, five in the Kelvin). I used to rationalize it as the Human Half shortening his lifespan, but now I think it might've been the Temporal/Universal Displacement Combo.
     
  16. Nyotarules

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    Or he faked his death and returned to the Prime universe, doing Vulcan weddings with Elvis in Vegas
     
  17. Gingerbread Demon

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    But what if it's not an illusion because if you noticed she had the bracelet that they gave her still on and it was green showing her condition was OK in the MU. Plus she was actively trying to hide it.

    So Quarl is the Guardian or a Q
     
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  18. 137th Gebirg

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    So is it Carl, Karl or Quarl? I’ve seen 3 spellings now. FWIW, both IMDB and episode CC had him as Carl.
     
  19. Gingerbread Demon

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    I'm using the Quarl spelling because it's cool
     
  20. SJGardner

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    They originally intended it to be a cameo by Armin Shimerman, but their finger slipped and hit "L" instead of "K". Never one to admit failure, Kurtzman decided it will be a new character.