Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"
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I'm rewatching DS9 now and I felt the same way. Would love some update!
No - just pointing out how some TNG fans (not you specifically or a claim you made); like to claim "ST
's had 3 seasons...why aren't the characters more defined?" - and they laud TNG as 'great Trek' - yet, yeah, how good and developed were the TNG characters 39 episodes in? 
Gotcha.No - just pointing out how some TNG fans (not you specifically or a claim you made); like to claim "ST
Mirror Airiam (the second one).
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekDi...mirror_airiam_unaltered_airiam_for_reference/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekDi...mirror_airiam_unaltered_airiam_for_reference/
In terms of actual displayed actions then maybe. In terms of barbarism I think that humanity has demonstrated that time and again, between human sacrifice, child sacrifice, and cannibalism, among others. I mean, there are still struggles with slavery, witch hunting and cannibalism within the last ten years on Earth.
Killing each other to rank up? Maybe not consistently but Sparta had its own elite who's trial to enter was stealth killing a slave.
I'm not saying the Terran Empire isn't terrible. What I am saying is that it is a reflection of the worst aspects of humanity all rolled in to one.
Well I thought this was fun. I don't know where they are taking the story and that is good. And if that is the Guardian of Forever? I don't mind if he can do more than being a stargate into the past and future. Every AI who is forever I think it might have some crazy abilities after a while so manifesting as a human is not a stretch for me.
I just saw this.
Absolutely didn't expect to see a mirror episode, so that was a big surprise, but loved it.
I expected the episode to end with a cliff hanger of Lorca showing up, but maybe we see him in part 2.
Mirror Owosekun is badass.
As I predicted this is a set up for Section 31 series, as the S31 show runners are given story credit for this 2 parter.
So we are all assuming Carl is GoF solely based a tweet by RMB? Without that tweet I would not make that connection. In one of his latest tweets he is saying this is based on the original concept of GoF by Harlan. It would be super cool if true.
It would be interesting if they don't reveal who Carl is (GoF, Q, etc) and leave it a mystery.
Anyway even if Carl is really GoF I still won't end my association with Star Trek Discovery.
Absolutely didn't expect to see a mirror episode, so that was a big surprise, but loved it.
I expected the episode to end with a cliff hanger of Lorca showing up, but maybe we see him in part 2.
Mirror Owosekun is badass.
As I predicted this is a set up for Section 31 series, as the S31 show runners are given story credit for this 2 parter.
So we are all assuming Carl is GoF solely based a tweet by RMB? Without that tweet I would not make that connection. In one of his latest tweets he is saying this is based on the original concept of GoF by Harlan. It would be super cool if true.
It would be interesting if they don't reveal who Carl is (GoF, Q, etc) and leave it a mystery.
Anyway even if Carl is really GoF I still won't end my association with Star Trek Discovery.
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Considering the Terran Empire is made up mostly of humans, yes. It’s supposed to be an amplification of the worst aspects of humanity.
I don’t think we disagree as much as it might first appear.
They were doing that in the very first mirror episode in season 1 too, saying things like "Mirror Discovery". It's weird but obviously meant for the viewers to clarify things. In DS9 I don't think they ever used it, it was always the alternate universe.
Very true. We expected a redemption arc for this character and this is a good way of handling it. btw, in the Ready Room episode this week Michelle Paradise says that was the intent of this episode.
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I just figured it out. This episode (and next) is Georgiou’s “It’s A Wonderful Life”/“Christmas Carol” moment (just in time for the holidays, of course). Carl was Clarence Odbody/Ghost of Christmas Past, Present and Future, all rolled into one, complete with period clothing and old-style wooden door, reminding the ever-pining-for-the-good-old-days-in-the-MU Georgiou what things used to be like, allowing her to more clearly see how much better things are now.
The snow scenes put me in mind of a Christmas movie too. Definitely think there could be a subtle hint of A Christmas Carol and It’s a Wonderful Life. Loved having Michelle Yeoh in an expanded role, the woman is a goddess in my book.
Geez, this season is all over the place. If I had to pick the season which had behind-the-scenes creative chaos, it'd be this one.
Admiral Vance has become a prop to approve whatever wacky adventure Disco wants to go on, Kovich turned from intriguing mystery man into ordinary exposition-dumper, Saru is being buried as captain and Georgiou.... Well, I think she would best be used like Reno, popping up for an occasional snarky scene. She just isn't interesting enough to flesh out, and I have no idea how they're going to make a series around her.
There have been a few bright moments this season, but it feels well down on the last two and I don't understand where it's going.
Still, if Lorca appears next week, all is forgiven.
Admiral Vance has become a prop to approve whatever wacky adventure Disco wants to go on, Kovich turned from intriguing mystery man into ordinary exposition-dumper, Saru is being buried as captain and Georgiou.... Well, I think she would best be used like Reno, popping up for an occasional snarky scene. She just isn't interesting enough to flesh out, and I have no idea how they're going to make a series around her.
There have been a few bright moments this season, but it feels well down on the last two and I don't understand where it's going.
Still, if Lorca appears next week, all is forgiven.
You know what barbarians love when they don't rape & pillage? Songs and stories which tell how wonderful is raping and pillaging.
In Enterprise they even said that their Shakespeare's works are similar to our's. So they even have plays, and I suppose actors to play them.
It's canon. Sorry.
The newspaper he's reading -- the Star Dispatch -- is the same one that announced Edith Keeler's death. Other articles in the paper allude to Trek events that happened in various different time frames. So, it's a pretty obvious conclusion that he's the (or a) GoF. Scroll down this page and you'll see the paper:
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/12/star-trek-discovery-review-terra-firma-part-1/
The GoF concept in Ellison's original story was that they were a group of beings who guarded the portals, so that's in line with having the GoF be corporeal. This is also discussed at the above link.
Not sure how my original whimsical remark - meant as a joke btw - turned into such a serious debate, lol.
Anyway the question isn’t if these professions exist in the MU, it’s how rare they would be, relative to the PU.
It'a Star Trek board. EVERYTHING is a serious debate
For me - It was Carl's newspaper (the same name of the paper that reported Edith Keeler's death in TOS S1 - "City On The Edge Of Forever"; and even had a article in it about Edith Keeler's Soup Kitchen too).
^^^
Yes, they could just be Easter eggs; but it's a little too coincidental IMO to be just a couple of unrelated Easter eggs given the whole scene taken in full context. (Also, I'm assuming the GoF Kirk and Co. found was damaged due to age, or something else; or 'Carl' is just a newer model
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